HELP, need codes diagnosed!

STANMAN · 07-21-2009, 08:22 AM

So, neat little background 1st. Wash the car, get it all prettied up, go to a local carshow, car is running great. Win 1st, have some very good food, meet some cool Chrysler guys who were sponsering the show, all around a great day. Get in the car to leave, try to start it, nothing....Engine Failsafe mode. Car will start, revs just like it normally does at start up, but dies. Even if I try to give it gas, the revs don't stay up, it just starts, revs up, dies. Disconnected the battery overnight, reset the Engine Failsafe fault, went to restart, same thing. Pulled the codes:

P2104
P2106
P2111
P2135

Tried to clear them, the only one that would clear was the 2104, rest are still there.
Looking for help, my baby is sitting in a strange parking lot, and I am as nervous as a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs. Any help will be GREATLY appreciated!!!!

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CutterWolf · 07-21-2009, 08:31 AM

Are you sure those are the right codes? I'm not seeing any P21 codes at all. edit: Now I see why, its a TSB problem

Steve O Chap · 07-21-2009, 08:34 AM

If I were you I'd get it towed back home or to a dealership ASAP... your car is too pretty to leave out like that!

Quote:

Originally Posted by ford
TSB
05-14-4 WRENCH LIGHT ON WITH BOTH DTC P2106 AND P2135 - VEHICLES BUILT 11/29/2004 AND PRIOR

Publication Date: June 30, 2005

FORD: 2003-2005 Thunderbird
2005 Crown Victoria, Mustang
2004-2005 Explorer, F-150
2005 E-Series, Expedition, F-Super Duty
LINCOLN: 2003-2005 LS
2005 Town Car, Navigator
MERCURY: 2005 Grand Marquis
2004-2005 Mountaineer

This article supersedes TSB 05-09-15 to update the Issue and Dealer Coding.

ISSUE:
Some vehicles built 11/29/2004 and prior may exhibit the wrench light on with both P2106 and P2135 diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs).

ACTION:
Replace the throttle position sensor (TPS) following the instruction sheet included in the TPS service kit. Reprogram the powertrain control module (PCM) to the latest calibration using WDS release B36.11 and higher, or B37.2 and higher. This new calibration is not included in the B37 CD. Calibration files are also available at www.motorcraft.com.

CAUTION: FAILURE TO FOLLOW THE TPS REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION PROCEDURE WILL RESULT IN DAMAGE TO THE TPS SCREWS.

PART NUMBER PART NAME
3L5Z-9B989-AA TPS (Kit)

LABOR OPERATIONS CLAIMING CHART
Operation Labor Operation Application Time
051404A Check For Codes, Reprogram PCM, 2003-2005 LS 3.9L 1.4 Hrs.
Replace The Throttle 2003-2005 LS 3.0L 0.7 Hr.
Position Sensor, And 2003-2005 T-bird 3.9L 1.4 Hrs.
Perform Final Quick 2004 Explorer 4.0L 0.6 Hr.
Test (Do not use 2004 Explorer 4.6L 0.7 Hr.
with: 12650D, 12650D84, 12650D1, 12650DX1) 2005 Explorer 4.0L And 4.6L 0.7 Hr.
2004 Mountaineer 4.0L 0.6 Hr.
2004 Mountaineer 4.6L 0.7 Hr.
2005 Mountaineer 4.0L And 4.6L 0.7 Hr.
2004-2005 F-150 4.6L 0.6 Hr.
2004-2005 F-150 5.4L 3V 0.7 Hr.
2005 Mustang 4.0L 3V And 4.6L 3V 0.7 Hr.
2005 Crown Victoria 0.7 Hr.
2005 Grand Marquis 0.7 Hr.
2005 Town Car 0.7 Hr.
2005 F-Super Duty 5.4L 3V And 6.8L 3V 0.7 Hr.
2005 E-Series 4.6L, 5.4L and 6.8L 0.9 Hr.
2005 Expedition 5.4L 3V 1.0 Hrs.
2005 Navigator 5.4L 3V 1.0 Hrs.

WARRANTY STATUS:
Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage And Emissions Warranty Coverage

DEALER CODING
BASIC PART NO. CONDITION CODE
9E928 42

STANMAN · 07-21-2009, 08:53 AM

Well, it's odd that nothing like this has ever happened before. Car makes over 500 HP and it's always driven like stock. Somehow I think that although the car has only 25K miles on it, they won't be covering it under warrenty. Do they have to cover TSB's even AFTER a car is out of warrenty, and the car has a Saleen supershaker on it? I would LIKE the answer to be YES (I mean it is still the stock throttle body, just relocated), but somehow I am guessing it will be NO, lol.

J2L06GT · 07-21-2009, 04:35 PM

Did you check plugs on throttle body to make sure nobody messed with
them while it was sitting at show, Hood up?
Never know what some people will do.

STANMAN · 07-21-2009, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J2L06GT

Did you check plugs on throttle body to make sure nobody messed with
them while it was sitting at show, Hood up?
Never know what some people will do.

Yep, one of the 1st things I checked. Car is being towed home now, then I will be able to dig into it a lot more.

STANMAN · 07-22-2009, 03:25 PM

My car is an 05, and have heard rumors they used a different (plastic) throttle position sensors in the 05's, Ford realized that they were junk, and put metal ones in the 06's and up. Any truth to that?

J2L06GT · 07-22-2009, 05:27 PM

Mine is 06 was built in 5/06 and looks like its plastic

STANMAN · 07-22-2009, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J2L06GT

Mine is 06 was built in 5/06 and looks like its plastic

Mine looks different than that. Is that the driver side or passenger side? I can't see mine very well because of the super shaker, looks like that may have to come off. Good times.

J2L06GT · 07-22-2009, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STANMAN

Mine looks different than that. Is that the driver side or passenger side? I can't see mine very well because of the super shaker, looks like that may have to come off. Good times.

That is the passenger side TPS, the driver side is the drive motor for thottle blades.