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Old 01-12-2007, 10:23 PM   #221
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Im a tech here in maine at a ford dealership and my 06 mustang has had the same problem. i have a nice benefit of being able to get paid to work on my car. my leak happened about 8 months ago and it was coming in right above the gem module or the smart box as you guys are calling it. The body plug with the wiring harness running through it above the gem module was popped right out of its hole allowing water to come in through that hole. i put the plug back in and taped over it so it could not pop back out. my car has never leaked since so i am pretty sure this is the fix for all of your problems. also make sure that the dealership replaces your carpet cause you dont want that getting all mildewy. well i hope this information is useful for all of you
I did the same thing to mine and haven't had any leaks since. Looks like we found the source.
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Old 01-13-2007, 02:47 AM   #222
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Im a tech here in maine at a ford dealership and my 06 mustang has had the same problem. i have a nice benefit of being able to get paid to work on my car. my leak happened about 8 months ago and it was coming in right above the gem module or the smart box as you guys are calling it. The body plug with the wiring harness running through it above the gem module was popped right out of its hole allowing water to come in through that hole. i put the plug back in and taped over it so it could not pop back out. my car has never leaked since so i am pretty sure this is the fix for all of your problems. also make sure that the dealership replaces your carpet cause you dont want that getting all mildewy. well i hope this information is useful for all of you
I did the same thing to mine and haven't had any leaks since. Looks like we found the source.
I wouldn't be too sure about that. If this fixes your leak, then that's awesome, but I've done this, and I've found the water to be coming in ABOVE that port. Hopefully you've fixed it on yours though. This is another reason why I think the TSB may not end up being useful for everyone. There seems to be several places where the water can come in, so either this is going to be a long and complex TSB, or it will only help some people...in the meantime I would continue to check up on it.
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Old 01-13-2007, 03:16 AM   #223
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Bascho, what is "AAI"? Also, thank you for helping all of us with this. You have gone above and beyond the call of duty both as a forum member, and as a Ford employee. I hope you will continue your efforts now, and in the future. Both for owners and the Ford Motor Company. Thank you very much.

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I would like to add my thanks for the update and the eventual TSB, bascho. There's some comfort in knowing that Ford is working on this. On the one hand I've never had an issue with any of the work that was a result of a TSB, so I hope that even if my car still leaks, it will be solved once the TSB is out, but on the other hand...this has been a long road, and I'm not getting my hopes up too high.

I understand the need for the TSBs, but I find some fault in your comment regarding the dealerships:

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Yes, they are great at taking the guess work out, and I think a little TOO great at taking out the ability for a tech to use their brain. It seems like the general work on the "dealership" street is, "if ford doesn't know about it, ie: no TSB or recall or mass customer complaint, then we do what we can but if it doesn't work, then it doesn't work. You'll just have to wait until enough people complain". I may be overstating this a little, as my car has been serviced (over and over and over...) for this issue, but honestly, I get so frustrated when it seems like techs these days have been reduced to querying a database for the magic answer. Well sometimes there are these things called "new problems" that "the first tech" somewhere will have to experience. He/she will not have a database result, TSB, or recall to go by, but it's their job IMO to recognize that it is not correct and use some gray matter to come up with a repair. Maybe Ford Corporate doesn't want techs doing that because then everyone would get a slightly different fix, but if you have good techs, and they really do fix the problems, then what's the difference? I could care less if tech A used silicon from company X on my cowl vs. tech B using silicon from company Y as long as my car doesn't leak.

Ugh, another positive post turned negative on me again. I really am greatful for your efforts. Hopefully in the near future this problem will go away and I can visit this website without getting worked up about it [&:]
You are not alone in thinking that today's 'mechanic' is nothing more than a parts changer. Although not every mechanic out there fits this description.......a majority do. I will give mechanics credit for one thing though.....they have a tough job. Depending on the shop, the labortimes for diagnosing a problem can be pretty lousy. Some shops only pay out 30-45mins for diagnostic work. We all know that just removing components to get toa problem area can take longer than that. Some mechanics will continue searchingoff the clock.......but how many times a daydo you expect them to do that? It's a broken system and both sides blame each other for it.
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Bascho, what is "AAI"? Also, thank you for helping all of us with this. You have gone above and beyond the call of duty both as a forum member, and as a Ford employee. I hope you will continue your efforts now, and in the future. Both for owners and the Ford Motor Company. Thank you very much.

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Im a tech here in maine at a ford dealership and my 06 mustang has had the same problem. i have a nice benefit of being able to get paid to work on my car. my leak happened about 8 months ago and it was coming in right above the gem module or the smart box as you guys are calling it. The body plug with the wiring harness running through it above the gem module was popped right out of its hole allowing water to come in through that hole. i put the plug back in and taped over it so it could not pop back out. my car has never leaked since so i am pretty sure this is the fix for all of your problems. also make sure that the dealership replaces your carpet cause you dont want that getting all mildewy. well i hope this information is useful for all of you
I did the same thing to mine and haven't had any leaks since. Looks like we found the source.
I wouldn't be too sure about that. If this fixes your leak, then that's awesome, but I've done this, and I've found the water to be coming in ABOVE that port. Hopefully you've fixed it on yours though. This is another reason why I think the TSB may not end up being useful for everyone. There seems to be several places where the water can come in, so either this is going to be a long and complex TSB, or it will only help some people...in the meantime I would continue to check up on it.
The TSB has the tech looking in no less than 10 places. The water that is entering the cabin is doing so from the cowl. The cowl captures all the water coming off the windshield. It will pool inside the cowl like a sink if the water is entering faster than it can drain. The problem is that the cowl is full of holes (10 grommets for attaching the cowl and a large hole for the filter). If installed correctly all the grommets and the filter gasket and other seal will hold the accumulated water. But anyone one of those grommets or filter gasket or other seals could leak if not installed correctly and that is why so many people are getting leaks from different places. When a certain grommet is leaking, the water will drip onto a cross-beam that runs from the left to the right side of the dash in an arch. Water follows the arch of the beam to the passenger side A-pillar and leaks down on top of the SJB. Some grommets will leak down the firewall. If it's the gasket for the filter then in leaks into the plenum and out the drain hose.

As you can see they're a few entry points into the cabin.....but they are all related to the cowl. I'm pretty confident that the TSB's scope is large enough to fix all the leaks we've been talking about in this thread.
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Old 01-13-2007, 02:55 PM   #227
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I would like to add my thanks for the update and the eventual TSB, bascho. There's some comfort in knowing that Ford is working on this. On the one hand I've never had an issue with any of the work that was a result of a TSB, so I hope that even if my car still leaks, it will be solved once the TSB is out, but on the other hand...this has been a long road, and I'm not getting my hopes up too high.

I understand the need for the TSBs, but I find some fault in your comment regarding the dealerships:

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They are written to address how techs can solve an issue in the field. It basically takes the guess work out of how to repair a problem vehicle.
Yes, they are great at taking the guess work out, and I think a little TOO great at taking out the ability for a tech to use their brain. It seems like the general work on the "dealership" street is, "if ford doesn't know about it, ie: no TSB or recall or mass customer complaint, then we do what we can but if it doesn't work, then it doesn't work. You'll just have to wait until enough people complain". I may be overstating this a little, as my car has been serviced (over and over and over...) for this issue, but honestly, I get so frustrated when it seems like techs these days have been reduced to querying a database for the magic answer. Well sometimes there are these things called "new problems" that "the first tech" somewhere will have to experience. He/she will not have a database result, TSB, or recall to go by, but it's their job IMO to recognize that it is not correct and use some gray matter to come up with a repair. Maybe Ford Corporate doesn't want techs doing that because then everyone would get a slightly different fix, but if you have good techs, and they really do fix the problems, then what's the difference? I could care less if tech A used silicon from company X on my cowl vs. tech B using silicon from company Y as long as my car doesn't leak.

Ugh, another positive post turned negative on me again. I really am greatful for your efforts. Hopefully in the near future this problem will go away and I can visit this website without getting worked up about it [&:]
You are not alone in thinking that today's 'mechanic' is nothing more than a parts changer. Although not every mechanic out there fits this description.......a majority do. I will give mechanics credit for one thing though.....they have a tough job. Depending on the shop, the labortimes for diagnosing a problem can be pretty lousy. Some shops only pay out 30-45mins for diagnostic work. We all know that just removing components to get toa problem area can take longer than that. Some mechanics will continue searchingoff the clock.......but how many times a daydo you expect them to do that? It's a broken system and both sides blame each other for it.
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Old 01-13-2007, 02:59 PM   #228
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Im a tech here in maine at a ford dealership and my 06 mustang has had the same problem. i have a nice benefit of being able to get paid to work on my car. my leak happened about 8 months ago and it was coming in right above the gem module or the smart box as you guys are calling it. The body plug with the wiring harness running through it above the gem module was popped right out of its hole allowing water to come in through that hole. i put the plug back in and taped over it so it could not pop back out. my car has never leaked since so i am pretty sure this is the fix for all of your problems. also make sure that the dealership replaces your carpet cause you dont want that getting all mildewy. well i hope this information is useful for all of you
I did the same thing to mine and haven't had any leaks since. Looks like we found the source.
I wouldn't be too sure about that. If this fixes your leak, then that's awesome, but I've done this, and I've found the water to be coming in ABOVE that port. Hopefully you've fixed it on yours though. This is another reason why I think the TSB may not end up being useful for everyone. There seems to be several places where the water can come in, so either this is going to be a long and complex TSB, or it will only help some people...in the meantime I would continue to check up on it.
The TSB has the tech looking in no less than 10 places. The water that is entering the cabin is doing so from the cowl. The cowl captures all the water coming off the windshield. It will pool inside the cowl like a sink if the water is entering faster than it can drain. The problem is that the cowl is full of holes (10 grommets for attaching the cowl and a large hole for the filter). If installed correctly all the grommets and the filter gasket and other seal will hold the accumulated water. But anyone one of those grommets or filter gasket or other seals could leak if not installed correctly and that is why so many people are getting leaks from different places. When a certain grommet is leaking, the water will drip onto a cross-beam that runs from the left to the right side of the dash in an arch. Water follows the arch of the beam to the passenger side A-pillar and leaks down on top of the SJB. Some grommets will leak down the firewall. If it's the gasket for the filter then in leaks into the plenum and out the drain hose.

As you can see they're a few entry points into the cabin.....but they are all related to the cowl. I'm pretty confident that the TSB's scope is large enough to fix all the leaks we've been talking about in this thread.
This is great news, and great information. I'm going to quietly become invisible until the TSB comes out

By the way, it's raining today, and in addition I dumped a total of about 6 gallons of water on or near the windshield, passenger door, roof, etc. I don't believe it's leaking. Anyhow, keep up the good work.
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Old 01-16-2007, 10:29 AM   #229
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OK - Looking pretty good now. After my 3rd dealership visit, I finally had a decent mother nature test. I was able to leave my car exposed to steady, medium strength rain for around 24 hours straight. I even took my car into the dealership for another situation (minor stuff and a free detail - another story not worth going into) in moderately strong rain while driving through numerous splashy puddles along the way..... NO WATER in floorboard! I even had the dealership take a look under the kick panel and NO WATER!

BUT.... I still need to drive in HEAVY rain with standing road water, etc. to be more fully convinced. But as of this update, I am 85%+ convinced that the leak has been stopped.

The unusual part is that my dealership is, in the case of my car anyway, convinced that the leak was largely resultant from the collapsed seal in weatherstripping at the passenger mirror base (that was visit #2 which did not fully stop the leak) and more so, the "weathersheet" that needed securing in the passenger door (visit #3). Visit #1 dealt mainly with re-alligning a grommet in the firewall (this comes closer to the propsed TSB in the works). It is possible that all three "fixes" combined have brought about the positive results I experienced in this recent "test".

I know it seems odd that my leak could result from the door initially, but water can travel in mysterious ways and wind up in places far from the source. We'll see after the next, heavier duty mother nature test.

At least I'll soon enough have a TSB (as will all of us affected) to fall back on should in fact my leak still exist.

For now, though, having been very exposed to weather that certainly would've ordinarily caused water to appear in my passenger side... and finally having no water show.... I am happy again!

I'll still update here once exposed to the heavier duty mother nature test.
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Just curious, has this been TSB'ed?
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Old 01-18-2007, 03:36 PM   #231
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Just curious, has this been TSB'ed?
Its in the works... read the posts.
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OK.... Still leaking!

Instead of a really heavy rain, I had a light, but constant drizzle all day today. The difference from previous "mother nature" tests is that I drove the car at least two hours or more today in addition to just parking it in the rain. I drove at least 60 miles or more at highway speeds (avg. 70mph) and a fair amount on regular streets and such.

The water I found after all this was still significantly less than previous leaks and I find this encouraging. It "seems" as though of the three "fixes" I have had done thus far, at least some of the entry points have been blocked. I am reasonably sure that my leak, as theorized by others as well, has been a result of multiple entry points.

I've notified my service advisor at the dealership that has been handling this, who in turn will discuss the issue with the director and get back with me. I asked that before I bring it in yet again (for the 4th time on this issues) that they try to confirm that a TSB is in the works and perhaps even extract any information releasable to give them an idea as to how to proceed next.


bascho - any rough e.t.a. on the release of this TSB?
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I have a 2006 Mustang GT & I have serious water leak problems also. This is actually my 2nd GT, we had the 1st car for less then a month & had to return it to dealer because the mold smell was soooo bad that you could smell it outside the car with the windows closed. We got our 2nd car in the middle of Mayhad no problems for months. Had it custom painted & enjoyed driving it. We put little mileage on car (for us) & the car rarely is driven in the rain & sits covered in our driveway 85% of the time. We do wash the car in the short 8 months since we've had it more then normal people wash their cars in a lifetime (sometimes 3x's a week). My wife got in the car in October & thought she was imagining things when she smelled mold again in the new car. When she did mention it to me Iconfirmed that I smelled it also. We took it to the dealer who replaced the plug & re-sealed the seam like everyone has been talking about. Then they sanatized the car. It smelled like oranges with a hint of mold[:'(]. Several weeks later the smell return (duh) & we called the dealer & told them that we wanted the interior replaced. We were informed by service manager that Ford would only pay for replacing the carpet. My wife contacted the Ford rep for the dealership & thru talking to him he agreed to replace everything fabric in the car, foam in the seat, leather covers on all seats, carpet, pad, headliner, carpet on rear deck near speakers, carpet in the trunk, even the visors. They had the car one day & it was done. We got the car back on 12/29/06 & it was driven Saturday night, washed Sunday & covered. It rained 12/31 thru 1/01/07 but the car sat until 1/2/07. When my wife removed cover & got in the car she noticed moisture on the plastic covering the carpets (dealer had ordered wrong mats for the front & rear & left the plastic on the carpet to protect carpet until mats came in) it looked like when you wrap something in plastic & refrigerate it, moisture collects under plastic. This was 4 short days from the entire gutting of our car. We called the dealer & made arrangements to bring the car back & have a Ford engineer come down & inspect the car. This was 1/10/07 & they have had the car since. The Ford rep went to the plug & the seam but was informed by dealer that those things had been fixed. He said the other option was to remove the fender & re-weld the seam. So the car sits at the bodyshop with the fenders off & the wiring harness a mess waiting for Ford rep to come show bodyshop guys what needs to be re-welded. The radio stopped working for 2days, but the lighter worked. We were told that they were going to replace the radio & the "smart-box". If I wanted to do a ground up restoration on a car I would have bought a '69 Boss or 64.5 Galaxie. This is ridiculous. Froma serious life long Ford guy I can say that I am seriously dissappointed. Now I have a car that has been gutted , had interior replacedonce, carpet replaced twice, radio once & the smart box once, what next?[:@]
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i know what your going threw...my car has been at the dealer for 6 weeks. they replaced the rugs and padding under the rug and behind the dash. the entire inside of the car was removed and supposededly fixed the leak i should be getting the car back in a few days but i am going to trade it in...i was thinking of getting a vert but now i dont know if i want anther mustang at all.
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Guys, I no longer need anyone to provide their VIN to me. I was compiling the VINs to help assist service engineering with research into the issue. Once I was informed that the plant was already working on a TSB,I no longer had to create my list. Thanks to those that had provided their VIN.
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... If I wanted to do a ground up restoration on a car I would have bought a '69 Boss or 64.5 Galaxie. This is ridiculous ...
I could not agree more. It is simply absurb to think that someone - anyone - can buy a new vehicle only to have to worry about water leaking into it.

Worst of all, is Ford's response [read: denial]. It wasonly 3 weeks ago when the official word was " ... we don't know anything about it ..." as evidenced by the post below.

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...I work for Ford and have been following this thread regarding the leak ...I have been periodically checking the FMCDealer.commessage boards (Ford employees and dealer personnel only) and not a single tech has brought up this issue on the boards. I can tell you that the techs are not shy about bringing up any issue they have to see if other techs have experienced the same thing and how they fixed a particular issue. This tellsme that although the issue seems large on this forum......it may be fairly small in reality ...
Is it really any wonder why Ford is struggling (along with GM), and Toyota stands to soon becomethe world's largestvehicle manufacturer? It's disgusting.
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... If I wanted to do a ground up restoration on a car I would have bought a '69 Boss or 64.5 Galaxie. This is ridiculous ...
I could not agree more. It is simply absurb to think that someone - anyone - can buy a new vehicle only to have to worry about water leaking into it.



Water leaking is as bad as oil sludge. Its like driving a car in the rain without a top.
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Is it really any wonder why Ford is struggling (along with GM), and Toyota stands to soon become the world's largest vehicle manufacturer? It's disgusting.
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The people with Toyota engine failure due to sludging might disagree [8D].

I'm not defending Ford at all, but every car has problems and some dealers are better at service than others.
It's just a fact of life.

Getting back to leaks, my 2003 GT Vert (leak has nothing to do with top), had a puddle in the rear passenger side floor plan again after intense rain and with the car parked uphill.
I thought I had beat it by sealing the seam where the rear floorpan meets the frame rail but evidently not.

This time I pulled the passenger seat, rolled back the carpet and pulled every thing off on that side including the cover over the computer etc.
I flooded the car outside with water and discovered the seepage where I missed a spot with my silicon rubber so I siliconed the life out of the entire seam from front to back and when it dried the next day, I hit it with the hose, poured gallons of water into the cowl etc and it APPEARED to be fixed.

On a whim I took the car for a ride, with all the carpet/padding removed or folded back.

Imagine my surprise when I made a quick stop and from the front passenger side where the computer is located
water came spouting out like a freaking water fountain!!!!

It turns out that there is a couple of holes there that evidently were not plugged at the factory and while most of the water coming in from the top goes out the normal drain (if you look through the hole you can actually see the ground), enough of it collects and when you stop it comes rushing forward, hits the hole and squirts out all over the place.

When you take off, it finds it's way to the rear floorpan....

More silicon and I believe I have now fixed it.
FWIW I also bleached the padding, ran it through the clothes drier and sprayed a mild bleach solution on the rubber carpet backing.
I only had a minor smell, but it seems gone now.

In conclusion, I am convinced that Ford is not sealing the welded seams with proper, or enough seam sealer and the gaps and brittleness of this stuff is the cause of leaks in Ford cars.
Add in a couple of missing/unseated grommets and it's a nightmare.

Although mine is a 2003, I see a lot of the same stuff happening.
Fortunately the holes in my car are below all the electronics so I am not dealing with that horror story.

I hope it is FINALLY fixed now as I have been driving for a week with the carpet pulled, it has rained and I see no more water.
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And NOW.... the moment you've all been waiting for. Well, maybe you haven't been waiting for it and maybe this isn't THE moment. But by gosh, here are the results of my 4th (FOURTH) visit to the dealership and first "real world" test thereafter. Mind you... I still want two more solid real world test before I allow myself to become comfortable that myleak is fixed. That said, it is still difficult to hold back the excitement of my firsttrue "no leak" experience under circumstances that most certainly would've produced the leak. Yes, I've said that nearly exact thing before and so I must resist theexcitement until further testing.


Dealership Service Ticket Info (01/22/07) - Quoting the summary portionas printed:

"16128 WATER LEAK RIGHT FRT FLOOR BOARD GETTING WET WATER LEAK TEST FOUND RIGHT FRT FLOOR BOARD SOAKED. WATER COMING IN FROM RIGHT FRT COWL PANEL PINCH WELD. R&R CENTER CONSOLE ASSEMBLY REMOVE DASH ASSEMBLY TO ACCESS COWL PANEL. RESEAL COWL PANEL. REMOVE RIGHT OUTSIDE COWL PANEL AND INSPECT RETAINING CLIPS FOR LIFTING UP. KNOWN FOUND LIFTING UP. DID RESEAL RIGHT SIDE BODY SEAM AND REMOVE ALL RETAINER CLIPS APPLY SEALER TO BACK SIDE AND REINSTALL INTO COWL PANEL SHEETMETAL REASSEMBLY DASH AND RETEST FOR LEAK NO LEAK FOUND AT THIS TIME. REMOVE WET CARPET DRY CARPET AND FLOOR BOARD INSTALL NEW JUTE PADDING REINSTALL CARPET REINSTALL CARPET REINSTALL CENTER CONSOLE OK AFTER REPAIR. M-TIME FOR JUTE WORK BODY"

And results of my first "real world" test (01/24/07):

Exposed car to moderate, steady rain from 6:30AM to around 2:30PM. Drove at highway speeds in contuing, moderate rain about 80 miles and another 15 miles or so on side streets, stop and go traffice, etc. Whenever parked throughout the day... was uncovered and being rained on. Never saw any visible signs of the leak into the carpet in the passenger side while driving along. Finally, around 2:30PM, I took a deep breath, walked over and opened the passenger side door, bent over and began physically inspecting the exposed area of carpeting where it meets the kick plate just below the little access panel - DRY in all respects. Removed little access panel (to the fuse box or ECM thingy) and thoroughly inspected insideds of plastic (kick plate) and carpeting and padding inside this area.... DRY in all respects.

I was truly impressed. Almost enough to declare that my particular leak is fixed. BUT... need those two more similar, and hopefully even stronger, "real world" tests... and then I will jump for joy!

It seems that with each "repair", the ensuing amoung of water leaking in was less and less until no leak after today's test. Indeed, it would seem at least that my particular leak was/is the result of multiple entry points. I dunno, but I am glad it is (almost) over. [8D][sm=icon_blah.gif][sm=shades.gif][sm=rant.gif]
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typical ford quality control problem...i personally would never ever buy a new ford...i always wait years for the depreciation to take effect...that way i'm not paying a premium for all of the subsequent the problems.
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