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Old 07-22-2007, 09:28 PM   #1
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Anyone have a hood scoop on top of their vinyl racing stripes? My hood scoop is bunching up the vinyl under the corners of the scoop. Rob at Baltimore Street Mods said that if I replaced the weatherstipping on the bottom of the scoop with a particular kind that it would solve the problem. My installer replaced the vinyl and installed the weatherstripping and it still is bunching up the vinyl at the corners of the scoop. I have contacted Rob and suggested that he might want to provide a cut out for the scoop version so it doesn't let the hood scoop touch the vinyl. Here is what he says, and I quote:

I do not have a way to design it without a car sitting here...... no one┬*else that has used the replacemment weatherstrip is reporting this issue....
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If any of you have had this problem you should let Rob know about it. If you have a hood scoop and are about to purchase stripes from Baltimore Street Mods you should ask about this problem as well. I have been a big supporter of Rob and I think he has a fine product and excellent service so lets let him know that this needs to be addressed.

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My Roush scoop ruined my center stripe. When air enters the scoop at the front and it hits the plastic filler panel inside, it causes the scoop to flex, which pulls the vinyl back and forth until it rubs through to the paint underneath. I removed my center stripe and reattched the scoop so it'll eventually rub the paint down to bare metal I would assume.

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Old 07-23-2007, 01:35 AM   #3
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Mine were done by my dealers local smash repairer and are not genuine ford stripes but had no problems so far


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Interesting post - Does it make a difference if you install the stripes first then the scoop? Since all scoops are different, I doubt Rob could make stripes with a scoop cutout unless it was for a specific scoop. Anyone know how hard it would be to cut out the stripes around the scoop when installing and if this would look OK? I want to get scoops and stripes so I am concerned about this also.
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Interesting post - Does it make a difference if you install the stripes first then the scoop?┬* Since all scoops are different, I doubt Rob could make stripes with a scoop cutout unless it was for a specific scoop.┬* Anyone know how hard it would be to cut out the stripes around the scoop when installing and if this would look OK?┬* I want to get scoops and stripes so I am concerned about this also.
The scoop is a factory option and was removed before installing stripes. After stripes were installed the hood scoop was reinstalled over the stripes. As Rob stated, the scoop doesn't fit the hood shape exactly and tends to flex and rub at the corners. I think the only way to aliviate this bunching of the vinyl is to cut the vinyl material around the outside of the scoop so it doesn't touch. This would be similar to the rear license area cut out of the vinyl. Will anyone in the Baltimore area with an '07 Mustang with a hood scoop allow Rob to use it to mock-up a new cut-out design? Maybe he will offer you a perk.

As far as cutting the stripes after they are installed, I would not let anyone take a knife to my Mustang's hood. If all else fails I will remove the vinyl and have the stripes painted on.
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my stripe has done the same thing. but only in one spot.i am going to order new hood stripes and put some kind of weather striping or something so around the whole under side of thescoop so itwill not touch the stripe or be glued to it.
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I'm going to be putting a Rouch scoop on my stripped hood soon. I was thinking about the weather stripping too. I hear some scoops only fasten with 3m tape. I wounder if that would work as well?

I considered having the hood re-stripped around the scoop but I don't like the thought of the scoop rubbing through the paint either. I love the look of the scoops butit sure sounds like a pain..............

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Old 07-23-2007, 12:36 PM   #8
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I am near Balmer -- where is he located?

Got a number?

I have a 2007 with the "Ford Factory" scoop

Actually from my search on Yahoo it says there site is down right now but lists their Zipcode as 21225 - which is not far from me at all.
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I am near Balmer -- where is he located?

Got a number?

I have a 2007 with the "Ford Factory" scoop

Actually from my search on Yahoo it says there site is down right now but lists their Zipcode as 21225 - which is not far from me at all.
Your right he is down for maintenance I just tried it. My first post has his email address if you want to contact him. He is one of our sponsors. His ad is on the right side column. Baltimore Street Mods. Besides selling stripe kits he also installs them at his location so you should be able to get the street address when the site is back up.

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I just emailed him. I will let you know what he says.
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I'm going to be putting a Rouch scoop on my stripped hood soon. I was thinking about the weather stripping too. I hear some scoops only fasten with 3m tape. I wounder if that would work as well?

I considered having the hood re-stripped around the scoop but I don't like the thought of the scoop rubbing through the paint either. I love the look of the scoops but┬*it sure sounds like a pain..............
The Roush scoops do the same thing. A friend of mine with a Roush scoop has bunching of the vinyl exactly like my factory scoop. Not sure but I think the Roush scoop, besides having 3M tape, also has screws to hold it on. I wouldn't want just tape holding it, I'd be afraid it would come off at 100mph and smash the windowshield.
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I'm going to be putting a Rouch scoop on my stripped hood soon. I was thinking about the weather stripping too. I hear some scoops only fasten with 3m tape. I wounder if that would work as well?

I considered having the hood re-stripped around the scoop but I don't like the thought of the scoop rubbing through the paint either. I love the look of the scoops butit sure sounds like a pain..............

My roush scoop messed up my stripes, so it's a good idea to cut around.
as far as the scoop rubbing paint I don't think it will paint much stronger then strip
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I GOT THIS PROBLEM! its not too bad and not really noticeable. so i really dont mind.i think after i left the car out int he sun for a bit they started to go down but i havent really checked recently. hope you find ur solution. oh btw i have the stock hood scoop and my stripes were installed by Rob
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I have the same problem also. Seems like it bunches up mostly at the back of the scoop at both corners.
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I saw the bunching on other cars,so i cut a 1/4 inch away from the scoop and it looks really good.A rubber gasket under the scoop will keep the paint from being rubbed.I have a factory scoop.The local stripe shop liked it so well that he know cuts around all the scoops.He was having customers grip about the bunching.
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All the stangs at the local dealership with stripes and scoops mostly
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scoops as well. They are all bunching up and look bad.[:@]
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I saw the bunching on other cars,so i cut a 1/4 inch away from the scoop and it looks really good.A rubber gasket under the scoop will keep the paint from being rubbed.I have a factory scoop.The local stripe shop liked it so well that he know cuts around all the scoops.He was having customers grip about the bunching.
The ony thing is, cutting around the scoop will leave cuts in the clearcoat. You won't see them with the stripes on but when you remove the vinyl you will see this; I don't care how experienced the vinyl graphics guy is. I helped out in a family run shop for over a year; how doyou exacto cut down through the vinyl and not touch the cc even lightly with the knife ? Can't be done at least not with near 100% success. Saw many attempts to do this and while I was very adept with the knife, it was virtually impossible for me as well, no matter how slow, careful and well lit the surface was. I'm thinking the best approach is a thin to medium layer of clear silicone caulk on the scoop, let dry, then apply a fresh thin layer of same and bolt down but only so the new film of silicone meets the vinyl . After it dries give the nuts another1/2 turn. Use locking nuts! The silicone should flex and not grab the vinyl causing it to bunch up. No guarantee this will solve the problem; scoops aren't meant to be put down on vinyl.
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The ony thing is, cutting around the scoop will leave cuts in the clearcoat.┬* You won't see them with the stripes on but when you remove the vinyl you will see this; I don't care how experienced the vinyl graphics guy is.┬* I helped out in a family run shop for over a year; how do┬*you exacto cut down through the vinyl and not touch the cc even lightly with the knife ?┬* Can't be done at least not with near 100% success.┬* Saw many attempts to do this and while I was very adept with the knife, it was virtually impossible for me as well, no matter how slow, careful and well lit the surface was.┬* I'm thinking the best approach is a thin to medium layer of clear silicone caulk on the scoop, let dry, then apply a fresh thin layer of same and bolt down but only so the new film of silicone meets the vinyl .┬* After it dries give the nuts another┬*1/2 turn.┬* Use locking nuts!┬* The silicone should flex and not grab the vinyl causing it to bunch up.┬*┬* No guarantee this will solve the problem; scoops aren't meant to be put down on vinyl.
I agree no one can cut them without cutting into the paint/clearcoat. What I have proposed to Rob is to design the pieces for the hoods with a cutout to match the hood scoops shape just as he has designed around the license plate opening and the fake gas cap in the rear. Then the scoop would not need to be removed to install the stripes and it would not rest atop the vinyl. I just hope he realizes that this is a problem for a lot of guys and it makes sense to address it.
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The ony thing is, cutting around the scoop will leave cuts in the clearcoat. You won't see them with the stripes on but when you remove the vinyl you will see this; I don't care how experienced the vinyl graphics guy is. I helped out in a family run shop for over a year; how doyou exacto cut down through the vinyl and not touch the cc even lightly with the knife ? Can't be done at least not with near 100% success. Saw many attempts to do this and while I was very adept with the knife, it was virtually impossible for me as well, no matter how slow, careful and well lit the surface was. I'm thinking the best approach is a thin to medium layer of clear silicone caulk on the scoop, let dry, then apply a fresh thin layer of same and bolt down but only so the new film of silicone meets the vinyl . After it dries give the nuts another1/2 turn. Use locking nuts! The silicone should flex and not grab the vinyl causing it to bunch up. No guarantee this will solve the problem; scoops aren't meant to be put down on vinyl.
I agree no one can cut them without cutting into the paint/clearcoat. What I have proposed to Rob is to design the pieces for the hoods with a cutout to match the hood scoops shape just as he has designed around the license plate opening and the fake gas cap in the rear. Then the scoop would not need to be removed to install the stripes and it would not rest atop the vinyl. I just hope he realizes that this is a problem for a lot of guys and it makes sense to address it.
Yup, would be the way to go. (to do it right)
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I'm going to be putting a Rouch scoop on my stripped hood soon. I was thinking about the weather stripping too. I hear some scoops only fasten with 3m tape. I wounder if that would work as well?

I considered having the hood re-stripped around the scoop but I don't like the thought of the scoop rubbing through the paint either. I love the look of the scoops butit sure sounds like a pain..............
The Roush scoops do the same thing. A friend of mine with a Roush scoop has bunching of the vinyl exactly like my factory scoop. Not sure but I think the Roush scoop, besides having 3M tape, also has screws to hold it on. I wouldn't want just tape holding it, I'd be afraid it would come off at 100mph and smash the windowshield.
You're right Jack, the Roush uses screws (7) to hold it down. It comes with 3M tape as well, but I didn't use it since I was installing the Roush over the vinyl. I was going to start off with weatherstripping but it was in the middle of January and it would stay in place - I removed the Roush this spring, but already had the bunching and couldn't get it smoothed out even after heating with a hairdryer - but it doesn't seem to have gotten worse since I added the weatherstripping, wish I would have done itfrom the start and would then be able to tell if it actually solved the problem.
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