I don't get it. What's so bad about our rear axles?
#1
I don't get it. What's so bad about our rear axles?
Why do people criticize it so much? What's the difference? Is it meant to feel different or something? Cause it feels like any other normal vehicle I've driven :/ (axle, lol). Especially that UK show "Fifth Gear" with that Jimmy guy, man, he ragged on about it so much and then had a horse race a V6 WHILE claiming it was a GT AND it was a conv and claimed the horse beat the mustang :\.
#4
RE: I don't get it. What's so bad about our rear axles?
I assume that you`re referring to having a "solid" rear end.
One piece NON independant axles suffer from high unsprung weight and a bump on one wheel also affects the other wheel. Because of this, mid corner bumps tend to make the car jink around in the turns. They can also suffer from wheel hop or axle tramp when breaking traction.
Some linkage arrangements are better than others for controlling and minimizing these problems.
On On the positive side they have no camber change throughout the suspensions travel length. Therefore they do not suffer from trailing throttle oversteer like some IRS setupsThey are also very strong and well suited to a vehicle that is going to be clutch dropped on a regular basis. A properly located solid axle can handle well, esp on smooth pavement.
And of course it`s popular onTop gear to deride this setup as crude,cheap, and terribly unsophisticated in the usual American way
One piece NON independant axles suffer from high unsprung weight and a bump on one wheel also affects the other wheel. Because of this, mid corner bumps tend to make the car jink around in the turns. They can also suffer from wheel hop or axle tramp when breaking traction.
Some linkage arrangements are better than others for controlling and minimizing these problems.
On On the positive side they have no camber change throughout the suspensions travel length. Therefore they do not suffer from trailing throttle oversteer like some IRS setupsThey are also very strong and well suited to a vehicle that is going to be clutch dropped on a regular basis. A properly located solid axle can handle well, esp on smooth pavement.
And of course it`s popular onTop gear to deride this setup as crude,cheap, and terribly unsophisticated in the usual American way
#5
RE: I don't get it. What's so bad about our rear axles?
Well, is logic, you don't expect that such a nice looking car with an excellent engine and power numbers to come with live axle, thats 60's tech.
We all know the reasons that got Ford to do so, economical and car use, US market and so (mostly straightliners). You should drive a IRS 'stang to feel what is to have a powerful car with proper rear suspension. EU market is different, they appreciate the handling of a car more than in the US so they review them according to their views.
BTW, the program is Top Gear, well, actually it is not the tv program, just a special dvd feature (that was plagged of mistakes like showing a V6 as a GT, etc) and the guy is Jeremy Clarkson, this is an awesome show, one of the best of worlds tv if you ask me and if you can tollerate a way too pro-british comments and british humour. Do a youtube search of the show on how they show the cars and the different sections of the program like star in a reasonally price car and special features like that time when they made a space shuttle out of very small car.
We all know the reasons that got Ford to do so, economical and car use, US market and so (mostly straightliners). You should drive a IRS 'stang to feel what is to have a powerful car with proper rear suspension. EU market is different, they appreciate the handling of a car more than in the US so they review them according to their views.
BTW, the program is Top Gear, well, actually it is not the tv program, just a special dvd feature (that was plagged of mistakes like showing a V6 as a GT, etc) and the guy is Jeremy Clarkson, this is an awesome show, one of the best of worlds tv if you ask me and if you can tollerate a way too pro-british comments and british humour. Do a youtube search of the show on how they show the cars and the different sections of the program like star in a reasonally price car and special features like that time when they made a space shuttle out of very small car.
#6
RE: I don't get it. What's so bad about our rear axles?
ORIGINAL: howarmat
please explain....you do realize that your v6 axle is not the same as a GT
please explain....you do realize that your v6 axle is not the same as a GT
Its all about the unsprung weight.
Remove the rear axle assembly
and weight it. Thats the downfall
if there is any.[:@]
#8
RE: I don't get it. What's so bad about our rear axles?
Additionally, you can't tune the rear suspension geometry on a live axle wheras you have control over the full range of articulation and stance with IRS. The Live axle is, without doubt, old-school and despite Ford saying it's designed in as a nod to the Old Mustang, truth is, it's a lot cheaper than IRS, period.
#9
RE: I don't get it. What's so bad about our rear axles?
The left wheel is connected to the right wheel. The right wheel is connected to the left wheel. and on and on and on .
Some of the Euro snobs think that it's a really bad thing. They also don't drag race their cars so their IRS don't break. They also ALWAYS test Mustangs in stock form and we all know that's not really fair.
With the right parts, a live axle vehicle can handle just as well as their IRS setups. They just won't ever admit that and keep testing raw form (stock) cars against their euro crap.
Some of the Euro snobs think that it's a really bad thing. They also don't drag race their cars so their IRS don't break. They also ALWAYS test Mustangs in stock form and we all know that's not really fair.
With the right parts, a live axle vehicle can handle just as well as their IRS setups. They just won't ever admit that and keep testing raw form (stock) cars against their euro crap.
#10
RE: I don't get it. What's so bad about our rear axles?
Saw the show and it was a V6. I have no problems with my axle and my car corners very well. Yes, it does skip when you hit a bump in a turn. But how many of those do you hit at a high rate of speed?