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Old 07-22-2008, 07:45 PM   #1
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Default 4th ver 5th Gen Stangs?

What are the advantages/disavantages of the 2005 to 2008 Mustangs compared to 2004 and older?

I was leaning toward a 2002 to 2004 GT, now torn between them and the newer models.

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Old 07-22-2008, 08:02 PM   #2
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The older models were made with Women in mind.
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Old 07-22-2008, 08:04 PM   #3
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I think the quality of the newer models is much better than the older ones. I do think the 4 valve motor is probably a better platform than the 3 valve, but the aftermarket goodies for the new ones probably offset that. I also think the 05-now models may make a better collector item 25 years from now.....but that's a story that's yet to be told.
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Old 07-22-2008, 08:14 PM   #4
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I think the quality of the newer models is much better than the older ones. I do think the 4 valve motor is probably a better platform than the 3 valve, but the aftermarket goodies for the new ones probably offset that. I also think the 05-now models may make a better collector item 25 years from now.....but that's a story that's yet to be told.
UMMMM......unless hes talking about a Cobra or Mach 1 he wont have a 4v......99-04 GT's have the 2v 4.6. The new 3v is far superior in every aspect compared to the 2v (except sound[sm=boohoo.gif]). The 2v 4.6 does not respond very well to bolt ons at all. A full bolt on 2v is a fair match for a stock 3v. The 3v responds very well to bolt ons and you can easily put over 300 to the wheels. Now talking FI the 3v will be able to make more power then the 2v. alot of guys with 3v's on here are putting down 475 to the wheels....where as 400 is about the most I would run on a 2v for safety purposes. Styling is all opinion. I have seen plenty of new edge gts that look much nicer then s197's. What one person likes/dislikes is all opinion. Now if your talking 4v then thats a whole different story.....4v>3v>2v[8D]
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The S197 chassis is a lot more rigid than the SN95, making it handle better with a solid axle rear suspension.
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Old 07-22-2008, 09:27 PM   #6
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inside is alot more comfortable in the 05+s. i had a 04 mustang before the 07 mustang and i would never go to a pre 05 mustang again. and if you look the 3vs are better than than the 4v on the N/A 4/6L. look at the bone stock 05 GT compared to a MAch 1 or 01 cobra. the mach 1/cobra are lighter and have more hp but yet are slower. 05+ gt has 300hp and mach 1and cobras are rated at like 320 or something. another thing to consider is that the mach 1 and 01 cobras are tuned on 93 octance and 05 mustangs are using regular 87 octane and still are faster..i know alot will not agree with me but i have talked to alot of master techs that have confirmed this
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Old 07-22-2008, 09:56 PM   #7
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inside is alot more comfortable in the 05+s. i had a 04 mustang before the 07 mustang and i would never go to a pre 05 mustang again. and if you look the 3vs are better than than the 4v on the N/A 4/6L. look at the bone stock 05 GT compared to a MAch 1 or 01 cobra. the mach 1/cobra are lighter and have more hp but yet are slower. 05+ gt has 300hp and mach 1and cobras are rated at like 320 or something. another thing to consider is that the mach 1 and 01 cobras are tuned on 93 octance and 05 mustangs are using regular 87 octane and still are faster..i know alot will not agree with me but i have talked to alot of master techs that have confirmed this
well yeah I would have to dissagree....the 03-04 Mach 1's/99' cobras are not slower then the new GT's.......The Mach 1 is rated at 305 HP and can easily pull on a new GT. The new GT's and Mach's are very close stock for stock......the Mach has the weight advantage and slightly more powerfull. It would be a drivers race. I know of alot of Machs that beat new GT's. I love my new GT but you have to give respect where it is due.......plus why the hate on the new edge interiors.......I personally like them and find them comfortable.
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I don't like any mustang from after 71 till 05. at all so im going to say the 05+ looks better, is faster, and has better build quality. It also has the most comfortable interior Ive ever had in a car. i drove it from California to Wisconsin and my *** didn't hurt once! My personal opinion is that i would rather have a 05+ 4.0 V6 instead of a 04 GT.
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Old 07-22-2008, 11:02 PM   #9
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inside is alot more comfortable in the 05+s. i had a 04 mustang before the 07 mustang and i would never go to a pre 05 mustang again. and if you look the 3vs are better than than the 4v on the N/A 4/6L. look at the bone stock 05 GT compared to a MAch 1 or 01 cobra. the mach 1/cobra are lighter and have more hp but yet are slower. 05+ gt has 300hp and mach 1and cobras are rated at like 320 or something. another thing to consider is that the mach 1 and 01 cobras are tuned on 93 octance and 05 mustangs are using regular 87 octane and still are faster..i know alot will not agree with me but i have talked to alot of master techs that have confirmed this
well yeah I would have to dissagree....the 03-04 Mach 1's/99' cobras are not slower then the new GT's.......The Mach 1 is rated at 305 HP and can easily pull on a new GT. The new GT's and Mach's are very close stock for stock......the Mach has the weight advantage and slightly more powerfull. It would be a drivers race. I know of alot of Machs that beat new GT's. I love my new GT but you have to give respect where it is due.......plus why the hate on the new edge interiors.......I personally like them and find them comfortable.
well the mach 1 also has i higher gear ratio than a stock gt, so the new bullitts should pull away from the mach 1
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Old 07-23-2008, 12:17 AM   #10
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Mach 1s and Cobras are beasts....u need serious power to outrun them
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The only Mustang I would buy built after 1971 would be a 03/04 Cobra.

edit: And obviously an 05+ GT.
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the 99-04 saleens look way better than the 05+ stangs, IMO. and the 2005+ 4.0 (with very few bolt ons)is as fast or faster thana 04 GT.
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Old 07-23-2008, 05:09 AM   #14
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i went from a 04 gt to a 08. much better. every single thing....power, handling, steering, brakes, shifter, interior...

honestly the only thing i like better on the 04 was that its lighter and had a trunk release button.

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the 99-04 saleens look way better than the 05+ stangs, IMO. and the 2005+ 4.0 (with very few bolt ons)is as fast or faster thana 04 GT.
I beg to differ in the looks department. when you have them side by side I dont even look back at the new edge. Yeah I like the saleens and roush from past yrs but still no match for the styling of the s197.

+1 to had woman in mind, my g/f has a new edge and it suits her perfect I feel like im driving a scion when I drive it compared to my car...
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Looks are subjective...

With the exception of the Cobra's and Mach 1's, the S197 is a far superior car in every aspect.
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I sold my 2000 Mustang for my 2007. I highly prefer the looks of the 07 over the 00. Much better outside and inside. Especially inside! So much more comfortable as well. I dont feel all cramped up anymore. When I first saw the concept for the S197 I knew I had to have one no matter what. I dont look back. Plus my '00 was a V6 auto with flowmaster duals as the only mod. Now i'm putting 300 to the wheels so you can imagine what a difference it has been to me. Same gas mileage too.
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thanks for all the info

Anyone got a some pics of the 2000-2004s next to thge 2005+ ?

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A few other things not yet mentioned:

The S197 has a three link rear end with PHB. The previous generation has a 4 link rear end, no PHB. Talk to anyone who puts their car on a track (road track) and you will find that those serious about getting the SN95 to handle are changing it from the 4 link rear end to either a PHB set up or Watts-Link.

The S197 platform is far stiffer. It doesnt require things like strut tower brace or sub-frame connectors to get it to handle.

The SN95 is smaller and and a couple hundred pounds lighter. Its cheaper to procure and, if you are into handling, there is far more aftermarket support available (perhaps because it needs a lot more). Lots and Lots of Fox's and SN-95s are on road tracks all over the country. For racing, it is the current platform of choice in the American Iron series. Far fewer S197s. This is my observation having visited a number of tracks/races. My theory: its because there are more of them, they are cheaper (who wants to ball up a 25K+ SN197) and the aforementioned aftermarket support.
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Old 07-23-2008, 03:39 PM   #20
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My first car in high school &lt; 1978,yes I'm old !!&gt;,was a '72

I,like many,had to suffer thru the Mustang II and other low spots.
The 90's and early 2000's were the victims of
"The School of JellyBean Design", so when I saw the '05 it took me
back to 1970 and that BOSS 302 that started my fever.

Soo,back to your question, "Advantage S197 !! "
IMO......

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