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Old 11-18-2008, 12:50 PM   #41
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This is the only explanation I can offer as to why Ford STILL chose not to offer a bigger engine in light of what Chevy and Dodge were offering. I hate to be cliche'd, but it all came down to fuel. It seems that Ford determined the engine size to sort of meet the average customer halfway in terms of power, overall cost, and "perceived" fuel use. By that I mean, it's intuitive to suggest that the Camaro SS and the Challenger SRT8 are going to be a lot worse on fuel than the GT because of the sheer increase in power.

I think it shows a conservative measure was taken by Ford to make sure that they weren't the ones who released a massively powerful muscle car only to have gas completely preclude the country from ever finding it possible to own one. Ford was apparently not interested in getting into an arms race with Chevy/Dodge, and Blue Oval felt that the lower price tag for a V8 would still beckon the average customer in the market for a sports car with some giddyup; without John or Jane Doe having to declare bankruptcy after driving off the lot. I think more than anything, it's a reflection of Ford's desperate attempts to stay afloat. A company in their position can hardly afford to take chances with a new setup on a classic car. If gas hits $4.50-$5.00 within the next year, you can bet your @$$ that you won't see nearly as many Camaro SS's or Challenger RT's/SRT8's as you will see '10 GT's.

Another point, who knows how reliable Chevy's 6.2L V8 will be? The 5.7L V8 in the Challenger? Chevy did ok for themselves offering a 300 hp aircraft carrier on wheels equipped with a V6. Who knows how well the Camaro will actually fare?...especially with that awful front end haha. All it takes is for a major engine issue to present itself, and the whole line is suddenly highly questionable. The same concerns arise with the Challenger. The SE trim package will have less power than the Mustang V6. What's the point? I think the Mustang will fare better with the general population than people think, especially with the Mustang's penchant for reliability. For true enthusiasts like us however...we're kind of left at a loss.

I thought I didn't really like the new-ish design, but now I'm finding that it really appeals to me. Nevertheless, it's very disappointing that Ford decided against adding some girth under the hood.
Challenger V6 actually has more power than the V6 mustang but because it weighs 4000 lbs, it's actually slower than the mustang.

Challenger is laughable in that the car was around for a whopping 3-4 years, disappears for 30, then makes a "triumphant" return. Yeah... umm..sure. Camaro...we'll see, it's already been discontinued once because in Bob Lutz's own words. They're not looking to make a camaro for every driver like the mustang. Majority will win again. BTW GM AND Chrysler are doing far worse than Ford is.
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Old 11-18-2008, 01:07 PM   #42
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Challenger V6 actually has more power than the V6 mustang but because it weighs 4000 lbs, it's actually slower than the mustang.

Challenger is laughable in that the car was around for a whopping 3-4 years, disappears for 30, then makes a "triumphant" return. Yeah... umm..sure. Camaro...we'll see, it's already been discontinued once because in Bob Lutz's own words. They're not looking to make a camaro for every driver like the mustang. Majority will win again. BTW GM AND Chrysler are doing far worse than Ford is.
Oh my bad. For some reason, I saw 250 HP for the Challenger V6, and thought that the V6 Stang had 260.
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Old 11-18-2008, 01:19 PM   #43
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i dunno guys i REALLY LOVE the new 'Stang...Ford is in the business of selling cars and 400hp with a 35K price tag wont sell cars to everyday people...besides u bought a Mustang for what it stands for...so quit hating and start enjoying a piece of automotive history when u get behind the wheel of the best car model ever made...MUSTANG
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Old 11-18-2008, 01:42 PM   #45
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I guess it's about what I expected. I too didn't expect much in the way of more power.
Ford has NEVER been one to make huge jumps from year to year on power. If I remember correctly it took twenty years to gain 100 horse. Those of you that thought that they would come out with a 400 horse 5.0 are just kidding yourself. Honestly the motor of the future for the tuners will more then likely be the ecoboost. the back end is a little different but the interior is an upgrade. And can you believe that they will actually offer autolamp on the 2010??? thats only ten years behind the times.

I agree that adding a supercharger would be a viable option for those that seek more power. The problem with that is most don't have the 5k to pony up for the add-on after the point of purchase. (except for the revolving debt lovers.)

What you have to realize is for all but a handful of us the 315 horse will be more then sufficient. You build for the masses not for the individuals.
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Old 11-18-2008, 02:30 PM   #47
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Hmmm, I'm not sure why I feel compelled to post, as the first thing I have to say is "to each his own."

The new car is growing on me rapidly (inside and out). I would love to see one in person. The S197 did nothing for me in pics, but once I saw it in person I was hooked.

As for engine output, I'm a bit disappointed. They can get an easy 340-350 hp out of this engine with the intake upgrade they included (Bullit) and a cam swap and requiring premium (say, for a Premium GT). I just don't see why they didn't, given that they have to install cams and tune anyway...where's the loss on their part? Perhaps they're worried about reliability? I dunno, looks like we're waiting (for seemingly no reason) until 2011 or 12.

I'll part by saying FINALLY a decent e-brake boot instead of that crappy plastic cover. And the new door inserts look nice. The dash is growing on me too. I'm not giving up my `06, but I welcome this evolutionary design.
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Old 11-18-2008, 02:38 PM   #48
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not bad.. but i like mine way better..
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i dunno guys i REALLY LOVE the new 'Stang...Ford is in the business of selling cars and 400hp with a 35K price tag wont sell cars to everyday people...besides u bought a Mustang for what it stands for...so quit hating and start enjoying a piece of automotive history when u get behind the wheel of the best car model ever made...MUSTANG
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We should enjoy the mustang for the name!
How stupid can you be?

No I did not buy my mustang JUST for what it stood for.
(Which by the way stood for a car with quality that was affordable)
Um... let's see almost 100hp more in the maro and around the same price?
A v6 that puts up the same numbers in the maro for cheaper than a GT?

To add to this.... If the maro ends up performing much better at almost the same price does not that not in itself go against what the Mustang stands for?

I hope the power in the Mustang GT is enough to play with the V8 Camaro,
but if the Camaro blows it buy at close to the same cost (no first year markups do not count in this because if that is so we would have to use the first year markup on our GT's)...
then saying that Ford messed up is NOT being a hater. It is simply stating the truth and not being a FANBOY.

I love Mustangs but what you said here is just plain stupid.
Quit talking in stupid slogans and being such a fanboy.
Use your brain.
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Old 11-18-2008, 03:01 PM   #50
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I love it, if you all don't see the retro look in it then you're crazy. The headlights remind me of the 1970 stang, except not with those fake scoops, now they're turn signals instead.

Also the rear quarters pop out more like the 69/70 model, with some flatness on the top side. Very aggressive and sweet, its my favorite part of my 69 mach1.

Even the friggin AC vents are like 69/70 model, with the two square vents in the center and two round ones on the outside areas.

I think if people don't like it they are just bitter at "oh no there isn't a ton more power for super cheap!" If they added a 400hp engine, the price of the stang would shoot up and less people will buy them, and then the mustang really would be in danger.
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I also noticed they have a package offering a 3.73 rear axle ratio... Hmmm that would be nice in waking up an automatic.
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Yea and the autos need a lot of waking up too do.
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I love it, if you all don't see the retro look in it then you're crazy. The headlights remind me of the 1970 stang, except not with those fake scoops, now they're turn signals instead.

Also the rear quarters pop out more like the 69/70 model, with some flatness on the top side. Very aggressive and sweet, its my favorite part of my 69 mach1.

Even the friggin AC vents are like 69/70 model, with the two square vents in the center and two round ones on the outside areas.

I think if people don't like it they are just bitter at "oh no there isn't a ton more power for super cheap!" If they added a 400hp engine, the price of the stang would shoot up and less people will buy them, and then the mustang really would be in danger.
Not saying 400 hp. But more than 15 hp more.
I really think 15 is quite sad.. especially with the big bumps the other companies are showing.
Now... if Chevy ends up putting out a 400 hp engine for close to the same price... then the question remains why can't Ford do that?

Why would 400hp in Ford have to be so much more in cost than 400hp in Chevy?
That is the question we will wait to see if needs to be brought up.
(Unless the 400hp in the chevy maro runs times very close to the 315 hp in the Mustang, which would mean
other aspects of the Mustang make the overall performance better other than HP numbers of the Maro)
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Correction 2010 Mustang GT

315 HP, 325 Torque 87 13.8 Second 1/4 mile

320 HP , 335 Torque on 89 13.6

332 HP 346 Torque on 93 Octane 13.45


STOCK TUNE.


If the SRT wins, its not gonna be more than a car. The Camaro will pull a 1.5-2 lead on you.


NON SRT HEMI= neck to neck or .5 car in front.

Seen plenty race at the track.
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315 HP, 325 Torque 87 13.8 Second 1/4 mile

320 HP , 335 Torque on 89 13.6

332 HP 346 Torque on 93 Octane 13.45


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If the SRT wins, its not gonna be more than a car. The Camaro will pull a 1.5-2 lead on you.
Non SRT HEMI= Your neck to neck or .5 car in front.

Seen plenty race at the track.


Id love to race the new camaro or challenger without nos, cant wait to play !
Who are you correcting on numbers? (did not see anyone posting numbers besides me saying the new stang has 15 more HP... which is correct.)
And what Camaro are you talking about?
I hope not the new one cuz untill we see the actual car and not just magazine articles we wont
know what it is really gonna do.
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Not saying 400 hp. But more than 15 hp more.
I really think 15 is quite sad.. especially with the big bumps the other companies are showing.
Now... if Chevy ends up putting out a 400 hp engine for close to the same price... then the question remains why can't Ford do that?

Why would 400hp in Ford have to be so much more in cost than 400hp in Chevy?
That is the question we will wait to see if needs to be brought up.
(Unless the 400hp in the chevy maro runs times very close to the 315 hp in the Mustang, which would mean
other aspects of the Mustang make the overall performance better other than HP numbers of the Maro)

I agree, this vehicle needs to be at least $6000 dollars cheaper than the Camaro or Dodge.

And offer a LOW APR.
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Im correcting Ford on what they told you, this car still has the Octane Adapting ECM which adds power with higher octane.

If I were correcting a person on here, I would add the quote to help them.


This car is underpowered "Naturally" Yes Indeed
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I dont believe what some ppl have to say here! Do you buy Mustangs to be faster than Camaro, just for competition? Who cares for Camaro, nice car, more HP...so what? I love the new Stang, if only thing I would change is a rear wing...but its not like its bad!
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Yea I think for dropped the ball in the power department. Style wise I like it reminds me of the 69's which is my favorite mustang year. The only thing I don't like is that the rocker panels are unpainted id pay a couple hundred more for that and the back bumper to be fully painted. They need to step up the game an get some more hp and get up there with the camaro's they also need to throw a 6-speed manual trans behind it like everyone else.
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I dont believe what some ppl have to say here! Do you buy Mustangs to be faster than Camaro, just for competition? Who cares for Camaro, nice car, more HP...so what? I love the new Stang, if only thing I would change is a rear wing...but its not like its bad!

Alot of Mustang Owners just dont like that Ford dissapoints you with small HP Bumps in power since day 1, and the Fact, there are v-6 cars that come close to our V-8.
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