Oh No! Another S197 Fuel Fill Thread!
#11
Post-Winter Update
Whew, nothing like a good bout of winter to show who has a garage and who doesn't. About 2 days after I started this thread and planned to get under the Stang for further research, winter set in for good with over 2 solid months of total crap weather every day. Since I only have an assigned space in the apartment parking lot, the weather says when I work on the car. Now that it's finally letting up, let me show you what I'm planning about the fuel-fill problem.
To recap: I've held the gas station pumps at every conceivable angle and depth of entry and degree of flow, long since abandoning this altogether and using a funnel. I've already tested the foam vapor filter as AmericanIron suggested (I had previously come across that same URL and done the procedure to no improvement). I've taken off the filler tube and checked it for kinks and blockages, which had none. That left the next step in the process, the check valve in the fuel tank. I describe it again in the graphic:
The only thing I need to be sure of is that the rod I use is something that won't spark against the metal of the tank. That would probably be bad.
The other thing I thought of is that this defeats the obvious purpose of the check valve, which I understand is to prevent fuel escaping from a roll-over. Since we now know that the fuel filler tube is a closed system (no vent hoses, etc), the fuel cap should do at least some of the same job of keeping the fuel in place, unless the roll-over includes a freak impact to the fuel fill lid. But then I thought... my car's a convertible. With no roof support, a roll-over is... well, let's just say that leaking fuel will be among the very least of my problems. Yes, I'm a cynic.
So, I'm planning on trying this on the weekend. Any constructive criticism or red flags that I may have missed? Your input is always appreciated!
Thanks,
- Ken -
To recap: I've held the gas station pumps at every conceivable angle and depth of entry and degree of flow, long since abandoning this altogether and using a funnel. I've already tested the foam vapor filter as AmericanIron suggested (I had previously come across that same URL and done the procedure to no improvement). I've taken off the filler tube and checked it for kinks and blockages, which had none. That left the next step in the process, the check valve in the fuel tank. I describe it again in the graphic:
The only thing I need to be sure of is that the rod I use is something that won't spark against the metal of the tank. That would probably be bad.
The other thing I thought of is that this defeats the obvious purpose of the check valve, which I understand is to prevent fuel escaping from a roll-over. Since we now know that the fuel filler tube is a closed system (no vent hoses, etc), the fuel cap should do at least some of the same job of keeping the fuel in place, unless the roll-over includes a freak impact to the fuel fill lid. But then I thought... my car's a convertible. With no roof support, a roll-over is... well, let's just say that leaking fuel will be among the very least of my problems. Yes, I'm a cynic.
So, I'm planning on trying this on the weekend. Any constructive criticism or red flags that I may have missed? Your input is always appreciated!
Thanks,
- Ken -
#15
Fuel Filling!
I have a 07 SGT and have not had any issues. I live in Oregon also, so it gets filled by a attendant. But I also get my gas from a non-standard system, a above ground tank that is elevated. It is a higher grade of premium with no ethanol added. So maybe there is more pressure due to "head pressure" of the elevated tank.
#17
My 06 fights me at the pump but what kills me is my 2011 ford truck. 33 gallons and it freaking is fighting all the way. Ford sucks at building this part. They need to fire those lame as engineers that designed their tanks.
#18
Ford really does suck. At times my 07 grand marquis even gives me crap. The mustang has pretty much done it since the pumps went to the complicated bs ones. I simply turn around the nozzle and fill er up.
But, here comes the but, last time I was fighting it for 10 minutes. The pump I was at kept shutting off unless I would slowly fill it up. And even then, a little bit too much flow and it would auto shut off. That had to be a pump side problem. Usually 45/90 degrees fills it up no problem.
But, here comes the but, last time I was fighting it for 10 minutes. The pump I was at kept shutting off unless I would slowly fill it up. And even then, a little bit too much flow and it would auto shut off. That had to be a pump side problem. Usually 45/90 degrees fills it up no problem.
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