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Old 03-26-2010, 12:11 PM   #11
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Old 03-26-2010, 12:21 PM   #12
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I may be the minority, but after reading both sides of the story.. I gotta say, I agree that it is NOT the dealers fault or responsibility.

Why would you bypass th safety system on a REMOTE START in a MANUAL car. First, I wouldn't even take the chance.

But if the owner of the car installed it bypassing the safety, the E-Brake was up and the remote start button was actually the unlock button on the key-pad... then how is it their fault?

Blaming the dealership would be the same as blaming them for you messing up the install of you car stereo and it catches fire because they turned on the radio. Again, not their fault.

It would be nice if they would recognize the impact on the owner of the Mustang, and possibly offer them an incentive to purchase another car from them... but to accuse the dealership of any wrong doing I think is completely wrong.

You live and learn from your mistakes... the install of the remote start system was a mistake, and the owner will live and learn.
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Old 03-26-2010, 12:22 PM   #13
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So we are to believe that a mustang parked with the emergency brake on not only started completely with no one giving it throttle, but had enough power to overcome the park brake, jump a curb, tear down a fence AND still had enough force behind it to hit the water and not just sink the front but submerge the entire car?

Seriously? I have thought my 5 speed was in neutral before and hit the key, not only will the car not start because it stalls first, but it certainly had no chance of overcoming the parking brake. Now what i have seen is this.

when i was in high school my manual trans car would not start one day so i left it and went to football practice. When i came back on of my buddies though it would be funny to put the car in the middle of the track around the football field. He got it there alone by REPEATEDLY hitting the starter and using the torque from the starter with the car in gear to provide forward momentum. My money says not only did the service gut hit the remote start, but he held it down. i simply can't see someones car starting in gear, with the brake on, and not stalling immediately. Something is still not sounding right IMHO.
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Old 03-26-2010, 12:28 PM   #14
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Blaming the dealership would be the same as blaming them for you messing up the install of you car stereo and it catches fire because they turned on the radio. Again, not their fault.
Close but not quite IMO.

If in the above situation the dealer had a need to start the stereo? Absolutely not their fault then. Bringing the car in for an oil change, and they CHOOSE to start the stereo? Their fault. Did they need to use the remote start? No. They hit the button anyway.

If I have a problem with my TV. The maid comes in to clean that day. She screws with the TV and it starts a fire? Her fault. WTF is she doing messing with the TV in the first place?
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Seriously? I have thought my 5 speed was in neutral before and hit the key, not only will the car not start because it stalls first, but it certainly had no chance of overcoming the parking brake. Now what i have seen is this.
I guess it all depends. Same thing happened to me. I thought it was in nuetral and released the clutch. My mustang lurched forward pretty hard, about 10 feet I would say. My e-brake was on too. Luckiliy I was in a empty parking lot, thank goodness no pond was in front of me, lol.
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Occasionally a business will do something for a customer that the business is not required to do. How about it?
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So we are to believe that a mustang parked with the emergency brake on not only started completely with no one giving it throttle, but had enough power to overcome the park brake, jump a curb, tear down a fence AND still had enough force behind it to hit the water and not just sink the front but submerge the entire car?

Seriously? I have thought my 5 speed was in neutral before and hit the key, not only will the car not start because it stalls first, but it certainly had no chance of overcoming the parking brake. Now what i have seen is this.

when i was in high school my manual trans car would not start one day so i left it and went to football practice. When i came back on of my buddies though it would be funny to put the car in the middle of the track around the football field. He got it there alone by REPEATEDLY hitting the starter and using the torque from the starter with the car in gear to provide forward momentum. My money says not only did the service gut hit the remote start, but he held it down. i simply can't see someones car starting in gear, with the brake on, and not stalling immediately. Something is still not sounding right IMHO.
Maybe someone should chime in on how a remote start system works before we jump to this conclusion.

On a side note, at least we have more facts to work with now. If the technician hits the unlock button and the car starts, how would he have known unless the car owner told them? After reading the dealer's response, the car owner may be SOL in this situation. I doubt this will ever make it to court. No wonder the car owner was willing to give up so easily. He knows he's at fault.
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Old 03-26-2010, 12:37 PM   #18
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Your forgetting, that remote starters are designed to crank for a desired length of time once receiver gets the signal from the remote. However I am unsure if a no start, does it still continue to crank till it runs? It would have to have one hell of a powerful starter to make a car move enough with an ebrake on, and in gear.

My personal opinion is both parties are at fault. Car owner for bypassing saftey equipment, and dealer that triggered the remote start reguardless if he knew it had one or not. I doubt the remote itself was designed to start the car by holding down the unlock button. How the remote was handled to unlock the car is the focus.

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That's kinda how I feel about it at this point as well. A shared responsibility type of thing.
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i do agree both are at fauly if he had a remote start that was made for a manual car then this would of never happended. and the dealer should be playing with thing on someones car if they dont know what it is
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