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Quick question about supercharger basics for the 4.6

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Old 06-17-2011, 11:05 PM   #1
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Default Quick question about supercharger basics for the 4.6

What are the absolute base components needed to have a working supercharger? I really want f/i if I can fit it in my budget, but it looks like I'm going to have to do some shopping around and some deal-finding to get it done, if I can get it done at all.

I am searching ebay right now for deals, and this came up:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2007-...#ht_500wt_1182

What else would I need besides pulleys and the adapter plate that what's-his-name is working on? I see an intake, throttle body, etc.

Is this list pretty much right?


- Blower
- Blower Bracket
- Crank pulley and Supercharger pulley
- Bypass valve
- Boost gauges
- Fuel pump
- Fuel injectors
- Fans for the supercharger
- Air filter inlet for the supercharger

(optional)
- Intercoolers
- Intercooler piping
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Old 06-17-2011, 11:20 PM   #2
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Is this list pretty much right?
- Blower
- Blower Bracket
- Crank pulley and Supercharger pulley
- Bypass valve
- Boost gauges
- Fuel pump
- Fuel injectors
- Fans for the supercharger
- Air filter inlet for the supercharger

(optional)
- Intercoolers
- Intercooler piping
- Blower........yes
- Blower Bracket.......no
- Crank pulley and Supercharger pulley..........no stock crank pulley and manifold kit comes with pulley
- Bypass valve.......no it is already built into the blower
- Boost gauges ....no
- Fuel pump.....yes or Boost a Pump
- Fuel injectors......yes or used GT500 injectors
- Fans for the supercharger ............no
- Air filter inlet for the supercharger.......should come with SC


(optional)
- Intercoolers....Not optional you need it
- Intercooler piping.......just rubber hose you need it.

You need

Water pump for intercooler
Longer belt
tune
etc
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Old 06-17-2011, 11:31 PM   #3
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- Blower........yes
- Crank pulley and Supercharger pulley..........no stock crank pulley and manifold kit comes with pulley
- Fuel pump.....yes or Boost a Pump
- Fuel injectors......yes or used GT500 injectors
- Intercoolers....Not optional you need it
- Intercooler piping.......just rubber hose you need it.

You need

Water pump for intercooler
Longer belt
tune
etc
I got that list from a guy with a trans am so I figured it would be a little off. thanks for the quick response though.

- what do you mean by manifold kit? I apologize, but I know little about superchargers, although I'm trying to learn. I've read the stickies in the f/i section.
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Old 06-18-2011, 12:52 AM   #4
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.. what about the intercooler (manifold type)?

There are no adapter kits right now.. would be killer though..
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aware me on what you are asking?

there is someone on this board(ask around and you'll find him, i forgot his username) that has made a working adapter plate for the 5.4 to 4.6 supercharger and is about to start producing them.
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I read that thread, but I thought he was only selling them as complete kits?
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There is a kit. Or will be in short order it has been mention here a number of times but there is a long and more thorough thread here.
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I just bid on a gt 500 blower but almost immediately retracted my bid. I don't want to buy one of these until the adapter is in production. Also, he is pricing them at $1800, which is going to make it easier to just get a procharger or something similar.
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I would not piece-meal one together, but then I am mechanically challenged. I remember when my ex-stang first started with FI, it had the P1SC Procharger kit.... and that's it. The kit came with everything needed to run about 9 lbs boost. I would save a bit longer and get something that is tried, tested, and complete .... and just plug-in and play. Once you start mixing and matching, it can get more troublesome. Keep it simple ... at first anyway.

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A GT-500 blower is a complete waste of money. Once you piece together all the required components you've spent more then a FRPP Whipple kit in the long run. If you do a cost effective blower kit search on here you'll find a lot of members have the M90 blower kit and they got it for around $3,000. That is a great starting point.
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I'd be happy with an M90, even though it's a 'small' blower. However, where do I need to look to get it for $3000? The only places I've found them are at retail(roush, ebay, etc).
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A GT-500 blower is a complete waste of money. Once you piece together all the required components you've spent more then a FRPP Whipple kit in the long run. If you do a cost effective blower kit search on here you'll find a lot of members have the M90 blower kit and they got it for around $3,000. That is a great starting point.

Show me a kit with 450hp at the rear wheels for $3500 or close to it. The GT500 adapter will cost about that after you buy everything you need.
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You could always get one of these for a little more than your budget

http://www.hotpart.com/shop/index.ph...ct_detail&p=12

it's pretty much a late gen Cobra style blower (M112) and more capable than the M90.

You'll eventually need a larger heat exchanger down the line if you upgrade the pullies for 10 psi.. people are making great power with these units on another Mustang site.

Also, take note on their advice on removing the washer behind the idler pulley as well as using an upgraded belt tensioner. It's been known to be a real "belt shredder".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY0bTemVOg4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmKe0fm7qHY
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stealth, did you decide to keep your setup? I saw you asking about the valet mode I think?

Anyway, My end goal is ~430 rwhp. I figure most kits can put me close if not over pretty easily. From what I understand, at ~450 rwhp you start risking things messing up, and I'd like to avoid that if possible.
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Yeah, I decided to keep it.. it's so easy to take on and off that I decided to save myself the money.

Seriously considered a 2012 Dodge Charger AWD/RT 5.7 but from what I hear, the 2011-2012 PCMs are real bastards to hack into and tune. Since I planned a Supercharger for that car, I will sit tight and wait to see what happens later on before I jump on that car.

450 is the safe number floating around the web, but some have made as much as 525whp and average around 480-490whp. 450lbs. torque is supposedly the real number, since torque being the more force behind the two. If I were you, I'd be patient and wait it out rather than being hasty and going on a budget.

The M90 is a fun supercharger. Lots of low end grunt even compared to the Centri's endless top end..
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That magnacharger that you posted lists its install time as less than a day. is it that easy to install?
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Pretty much your basic positive displacement blower set up; Top mount unit, front end assembly pulley set up, degas coolant bottle/canister routing, IAT sensor wiring..

doesn't get more basic than that, other than a centri air to air set up..
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Dare I say I could do it myself on a weekend?
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M90 might be a small blower but its big on fun. I don't have the smaller pulley and still running in the 12.2's. With that pulley I'm in the 11's. Its a great safe blower. I do have a new DS to install.....so my numbers will only get better.
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I have about $700 put aside now and when I start back to work I should be able to afford a used kit within a month or two.
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