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Old 04-28-2012, 06:53 PM   #21
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Don't get me wrong; these gears are fun. The point brought up on the last page about highway pulls is a big factor though. If you are ever in a situation where someone wants to play with you and you are doing more than 45-50, you can't do much. 2nd gear ends for me at around 56-58 mph.
Eh? OP is manual trans. I have nothing to compare it to(I'd sooner get a prius, just as personal taste, I hate automatics), but I have 0 problem leaving it in 4th to dust..

1st gear of course is just about as close to bypassable as is possible..but that's different..
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Cams are something that I MUST do. That or find a way to get my stock idle to be as loud as possible.
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Eh? OP is manual trans. I have nothing to compare it to(I'd sooner get a prius, just as personal taste, I hate automatics), but I have 0 problem leaving it in 4th to dust..

1st gear of course is just about as close to bypassable as is possible..but that's different..
Drive a tuned 6R80. You won't "hate" it.
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Old 04-28-2012, 09:00 PM   #24
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Cams are something that I MUST do. That or find a way to get my stock idle to be as loud as possible.
I can't lie, I do miss this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVKKUgec3Zc

Had it toned down to this for DD though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11qQSREDbS4
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Drive a tuned 6R80. You won't "hate" it.
<--Control freak. I don't care that they can actually outdo many with decent speed shifting abilities with a good shift-point tune now, even if they got better than anyone could ever do. I still would be slamming my foot into the floorboard by reflex. Much of the fun to driving for me, is that sense of control.
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<--Control freak. I don't care that they can actually outdo many with decent speed shifting abilities with a good shift-point tune now, even if they got better than anyone could ever do. I still would be slamming my foot into the floorboard by reflex. Much of the fun to driving for me, is that sense of control.
Understood. We're just opposites. I don't even use manual trans in my race car video games. Auto for me please.
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Understood. We're just opposites. I don't even use manual trans in my race car video games. Auto for me please.
I can shift ALMOST as fast as an automatic. Not kidding.
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I can shift ALMOST as fast as an automatic. Not kidding.
The issue its just speed, there's also consistency.
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Drive a tuned 6R80. You won't "hate" it.
No doubt. And to add to that, according to modders who use the stock 6R80 with modded engines pumping above 600 HP at the wheels, these automatics have not failed.
One modders made a guess that he 6R80 might be rated at over 800 HP ( I doubt it) but since these guys are exceeding 700 HP at the wheels, this auto gearbox took it.

The Chinese made MT82 unfortunately needs a lot of work before it can take that kind of power.
And the TR3650 of the OP will not take this kind of power too.

Anyway, going back to topic, I personally see no use for going 4.10:1 rear gears on a Tr3650 or MT82. Both of these MT gearboxes have very deep
1st gears to begin with.

The 4.10:1 rear gears will help gearboxes with very shallow 1st gears like he 2spd Touqueflight or a TR6060 with only a 2.66:1 first gear.
Other than that, 4.10:1 rear gears on an mt82 or tr3650 is only beneficial for a dedicated drag race car or for someone who wants to show off massive wheel torque in the lower tranny gears.
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Here's the vid I promised. Before/after O/R H pipe, but you can hear/see the shift points that the 4.10 gives and make a judgement call for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qUAditlAFs


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Eh? OP is manual trans. I have nothing to compare it to(I'd sooner get a prius, just as personal taste, I hate automatics), but I have 0 problem leaving it in 4th to dust..

1st gear of course is just about as close to bypassable as is possible..but that's different..

I have a manual as well. The issue is that if I'm going, say, 50, and a guy gets up next to me and guns it, I can shift into 2nd for about a third of a second before I need to shift again. The 'sweet spot' for the 4.10s is either about 20 mph in 1st or 30-35 in 2nd.
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I have a manual as well. The issue is that if I'm going, say, 50, and a guy gets up next to me and guns it, I can shift into 2nd for about a third of a second before I need to shift again. The 'sweet spot' for the 4.10s is either about 20 mph in 1st or 30-35 in 2nd.

I just don't see it(the issue, personally). I want the higher RPMs, the extra torque from 3.73 to 4.10s is admittedly, useless without beefier tires to grip in the lower gears, but I can throw into 3rd at that speed and leave people I couldn't otherwise. To me it only becomes truly detrimental (TR-3650 in my case) were I to be FI using a MT, or couldn't stand 2200 RPMs in O/D now at 50, and the 2550 its at for 70mph driving.
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Well, I'll tell you what. Sell/give me some tires with a bit of grip and I'll see if I agree with you. Sitting on either 245s or 255s right now, I forget.
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I would go with the 3.73. A friend of mine dropped .3 to .4 off of his ET in his 3.8 so I would say it would be around that or a little better. He went for 3.27 to 3.73

As for the Auto, its a much better setup for dragging if it set up right, I know a guy that could literally leave a solid black tire streak while launching and shifting in a manual. Still it cant compete with a auto set right.

Like others have said, if they are right they are more consistant and faster period.

Not to say I love my manual. Its just more fun to shift gears
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Not to hijack the thread, but would it be worth it to go from 3.55s to 3.73s?
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Not to hijack the thread, but would it be worth it to go from 3.55s to 3.73s?
If you can do the install yourself, sure. If not, hell no.
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Not to hijack the thread, but would it be worth it to go from 3.55s to 3.73s?
Its what Im doing and everyone I've talked to that had 3.55s previously said its a noticeable and greater difference. Not one person said it was not worth it to go from 3.55 to 3.73. They all say they had wished they did it earlier. Im excited to get mine in. Coming from AM hopefully sometime next week.
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Its what Im doing and everyone I've talked to that had 3.55s previously said its a noticeable and greater difference. Not one person said it was not worth it to go from 3.55 to 3.73. They all say they had wished they did it earlier. Im excited to get mine in. Coming from AM hopefully sometime next week.
I know a guy who has a set of 3.73s in his mustang(fully built/saleen supercharged s197 making mid 500s to the wheel). He wants to go back to 3.55s so I'm gonna see if I can trade him my OEM 3.55s for his 3.73s. I want to drop down to 3.73s from the 4.10s I have currently.
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What happened to "don't fear the gear"? LOL I'm glad I never went to 4.10s...
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I went 3.73 and am glad I did!
Honestly 3.73's are a little jumpy at times in everyday driving situations. When i put on my summer tires with a 295/45/18 on the rears, my effective gear dropped to about 3.55+ which with my a/t is perfect imo.
Guys with the 4.10 that think its too low migh try a taller tire in the rear to absorb some of the gearing, it helps believe me.
Proper gearing is the balance between power and grip to me.
What's why guys that stay n/a love the 4.10's. At that hp 410's give you the ability to break loose with throttle control...so will the 3.73's with another 150hp as well
Everyone want's to "get to the powerband" faster and get 4.10's.
Well here's my question, don't you want to stay in it longer? Particularly when you are making peak hp??
Gear's get you there quicker, but also get you out quicker as well...something to consider with high power (sc) platforms.
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