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MustangForums Editor 07-05-2012 04:53 PM

Chris Harris Pits the Mustang GT 500 Against the Camaro ZL 1
Most of the time we get a video from Harris, he's flogging some uber-expensive European sports cars, so I was pumped to get his take on some of our native sheetmetal. Check out the video to find out which car comes out on top.

MiniD 07-05-2012 05:14 PM

It's a great video. I think it does justice to both cars.

MoshpitMad 07-05-2012 05:15 PM

I agree. Chris Harris is pretty balanced and fair.

Roy_R 07-05-2012 05:42 PM

Doesn't know how to adjust the seat??? :)

moosestang 07-05-2012 05:49 PM

I find the camaro so freaking ugly! It could have 10,000hp and I'd never own one. That front grille and all the sharp angles, yuck! The next generation is bound to look better.

moosestang 07-05-2012 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by Roy_R (Post 7988380)
Doesn't know how to adjust the seat??? :)

I was thinking the same thing! It's one button, it's electric for Christ's sake.

MoshpitMad 07-05-2012 05:59 PM

LMAO...I was wondering why he didn't lower it, and wasn't sure if adjustment was different than my Mustang.

MiniD 07-05-2012 08:15 PM

With the seat all the way down, you still sit higher than the camaro. You DEFINATELY sit lower in the camaro. This might not be ideal on the track, but on the roads I find the increased visibility an asset.

MrSandman 07-05-2012 08:45 PM

I like mustangs for that reason.. not sedated, a little on edge.. able to scare you. That keeps it fun for me. When im like 60 or so.. that's when ill go luxury, maybe an M3. I can't see perspective M3-type owners opting for a Camaro instead of a "proper" euro performance car.

iamgone 07-05-2012 09:36 PM

I particularly enjoyed the comment on the Mustang's power where he said it's not some tuner nonsense, this comes with a warranty!

daredevil95 07-05-2012 09:42 PM

That was a "well done" review. It seems as though all the reviews i read all say the same thing, the ZL1 is more refined and easier to get along with car and the GT500 is a rough around the edges but, it's mighty power is so gratifying that all it's faults could be overlooked. I agree, the rest of the car could be tweeked to perform better. The rear end seems to be the biggest let down on the mustang....I wouldn't mind a IRS but, it has to be built beefy enough to handle hard launches. Remember the older Cobras that had the IRS....most people swapped that out for a solid axle due to IRS failures. The next gereration mustang is supposed to have a IRS...let's hope it's better quality then the old Cobra's IRS. Chevy builds a good IRS system, you could hard launch the crap out of a vette and the rearend never breaks....Ford needs to copy their system! I guess the next big problem is the GT500s rear tire is to small....I read somewhere that Ford engineer said they won't put a bigger tire on the back of the mustang because it unbalances the handling....I say, how much worse can it be....put a bigger fu*kin back tire on all the mustangs. A lot of us roast our rear tires when we first buy our new mustangs just so we could replace the rear tires with a larger tire. Now, the last complaint is the brakes, they work good enough for me...the car stops when I want it to! There's all sorts of aftermarket brake systems for these cars and most of the GT500s faults could be modified with aftermarket parts. The GT500 has an engine/tranny combination that is perfect and these parts are the most important parts of the car....this makes a good starting platform and the rest of the car could be modified or taylored to the owner's specs with aftermarket parts. Anyways, that was good a review and both cars are awesome. Great post OP.

darksky1984 07-05-2012 10:44 PM

It sucks that even with all the extra power the camero still beat it on the road course.

Jizz 07-05-2012 10:48 PM

So once again the Camaro is the better in the corners.

07BLACKGT 07-06-2012 12:23 AM

What's this? Did someone say the ZL1 is slightly more stable in corners?

Ohhhhk, since that's what we care about when buying a $55k muscle car.

Too bad ZL1 owners have already been getting walked on by intake/tune Bosses on the highway lololo

. . not to mention the GT500, which has ~100 more hp and weighs ~300 lbs lighter for the same price as the ZL1. . and runs 9's with bolt-ons.

Meanwhile, John Doe over here in his 5.0 GT on 7 psi is hanging even with ZR1 vettes.

Call me a fanboy, but TO FORD: :icon_toast:

Mr2013GT 07-06-2012 12:27 AM

Mr. Harris seems to be misinformed. He thinks the ZL1 engine is a "de-tuned" ZR1 engine, when in fact the ZR1 has a proper rotating assembly and the ZL1 is indeed a similar 6.2L supercharged v8, but only has hypereutectic cast aluminum pistons, not forged, like the ZR1. However, I d agree with him about the GM shifters. They're quite sloppy.

I'd also like to point out that in the hands of Randy Pobst, the GT500 is faster by half a second around Laguna Seca, not just in a straight line.

JayyVee 07-06-2012 08:22 AM

Best comment he made, while in the Mustang:

'Never has a car spoke to me so clearly and said.. Turn the traction control off, turn the traction control off!'

I think he nailed it, his other comment 'An Engine looking for a Chassis' - That will piss off straight liners, but folks wanting to get one and work the suspension to have an American-Made and personally modified Supercar know what he meant. IRS may piss some off but it will be the icing on the Mustang in the next 1-2 years..

Yes Randy does a much better job at the track when testing cars.. I take this brit's input as a well balanced 'daily driver' input. I take Randy's input for true track knowledge and input. Randy still says generally the same thing, he just cranks out better times and makes the most of that 650.. Err 662.. Eerrr 671? (I did hear the brit here, say 671? The # just keeps going up at the crank?)

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