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Old 05-20-2013, 10:55 PM   #21
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How about you try to find one better instead of complaining (although I do agree the video isn't the greatest)? LOL.
Wasn't complaining my friend. Just stating a fact. A few videos on YouTube with this combo. If I wasn't out of commission because of a bad back, I'd post one.
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Haha...I just bought some Pype Bombs from AM because my fiance' listened to videos and said Roush AB's weren't loud enough. The Bombs should be louder than the Roush, I'd imagine...I'm not sure she knew what she was getting into when she said she wanted loud!
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By your theory, after 9 months open pipes should be quieter than a factory exhaust.
I never said they changed after that. As with my experiences with exhaust they take a week or 2 to settle i can already tell you after 2 days they sound a bit different.
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Yes it is the only exhaust mod. They are much louder while the car is cold i agree, but anything over 3500 rpm and it sounds like a bomb going off anything/anyone within 3-4 blocks look back. I have also set off a few car alarms. I like the loudness i just wasn't expecting it to be so loud at low rpms 2k+ is still pretty loud and i am scared some cop is going to pull me over b/c of them. 18 year old with a 5.0 black rims and a loud exhaust.... no cop is going to be forgiving
That would be profiling, plain and simple. Keep your speeds down and they should have no reason to pull you over. As for the attention grabbing, that's why some of us buy aftermarket exhaust. Your car has 400+ HP, and the roush makes it sound that way. Would the cops pull you over if your stereo was blasting music? If that is a yes then its time to drive in a different town, if no then your exhaust should be no different.
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That would be profiling, plain and simple. Keep your speeds down and they should have no reason to pull you over. As for the attention grabbing, that's why some of us buy aftermarket exhaust. Your car has 400+ HP, and the roush makes it sound that way. Would the cops pull you over if your stereo was blasting music? If that is a yes then its time to drive in a different town, if no then your exhaust should be no different.

Profiling? Hardly. In California, a loud exhaust is probable suspicion for a traffic stop.

California VC27151. (a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor
vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted
by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance
with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits
established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with
Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an
exhaust system so modified.
(b) For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor
vehicles with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of less
than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or
less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers
Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle
exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to,
nonoriginal exhaust equipment.


Setting off car alarms pretty much guarantees a sound level over 95dbA.

If you think the color, sound, modifications, stupid thumping stereo and age of the driver have nothing to do with getting pulled over, you haven't spent any time with LEOs.

If your car isn't stock, it draws attention. Everybody, including LEOs, will see it first. Once your car has the cop's attention, he will take a closer look and chances are legitimately find something to pull you over for besides speed.

Once you're pulled over in a modded car, chances are the cop will give it a closer look hoping to find illegal modifications like anything on the induction or exhaust system that doesn't carry a C.A.R.B. E.O. Number.

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Haha...I just bought some Pype Bombs from AM because my fiance' listened to videos and said Roush AB's weren't loud enough. The Bombs should be louder than the Roush, I'd imagine...I'm not sure she knew what she was getting into when she said she wanted loud!
WHERE DID YOU FIND HER!!!! I cant get my wife to look at rims, listen to exhaust, or help me pick out mods AT ALL!


















































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Profiling? Hardly. In California, a loud exhaust is probable suspicion for a traffic stop.

California VC27151. (a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor
vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted
by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance
with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits
established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with
Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an
exhaust system so modified.
(b) For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor
vehicles with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of less
than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or
less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers
Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle
exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to,
nonoriginal exhaust equipment.


Setting off car alarms pretty much guarantees a sound level over 95dbA.

If you think the color, sound, modifications, stupid thumping stereo and age of the driver have nothing to do with getting pulled over, you haven't spent any time with LEOs.

If your car isn't stock, it draws attention. Everybody, including LEOs, will see it first. Once your car has the cop's attention, he will take a closer look and chances are legitimately find something to pull you over for besides speed.

Once you're pulled over in a modded car, chances are the cop will give it a closer look hoping to find illegal modifications like anything on the induction or exhaust system that doesn't carry a C.A.R.B. E.O. Number.
Reason #938 to NOT live in California. ####ing liberal a$$holes!
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WHERE DID YOU FIND HER!!!! I cant get my wife to look at rims, listen to exhaust, or help me pick out mods AT ALL!

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Mine has been a work in progress, lol. It's just recently that she decided she "understands" why I don't want my car to be stock. On the way home from picking up the CS, I didn't get to drive, and she agreed the car needed to be louder and needed "something extra" to get people's attention more. She said the car wasn't getting enough looks or the respect it deserved. This sounds great, except I'm not sure I'll ever get to drive, lol.
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Reason #938 to NOT live in California. ####ing liberal a$$holes!
California is beautiful it has some of the funnest canyons to drive on. But when it comes to city driving and lapd chp..... i agree living in ca is expensive and it sucks.
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Profiling? Hardly. In California, a loud exhaust is probable suspicion for a traffic stop.

California VC27151. (a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor
vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted
by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance
with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits
established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with
Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an
exhaust system so modified.
(b) For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor
vehicles with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of less
than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or
less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers
Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle
exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to,
nonoriginal exhaust equipment.


Setting off car alarms pretty much guarantees a sound level over 95dbA.

If you think the color, sound, modifications, stupid thumping stereo and age of the driver have nothing to do with getting pulled over, you haven't spent any time with LEOs.

If your car isn't stock, it draws attention. Everybody, including LEOs, will see it first. Once your car has the cop's attention, he will take a closer look and chances are legitimately find something to pull you over for besides speed.

Once you're pulled over in a modded car, chances are the cop will give it a closer look hoping to find illegal modifications like anything on the induction or exhaust system that doesn't carry a C.A.R.B. E.O. Number.
I didn't see that OP was from CA, my bad. Remember, not everywhere has laws that restrict the amount of noise coming out of your car's exhaust/stereo. "Hoping to find illegal modifications" = profiling and poor law enforcement tactics. I also was only referring to him being 18 y.o. driving a mustang 5.0. Pulling someone over for that is profiling. dcarlin has a good point, time to find some twisties in a new state.

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Haha...I just bought some Pype Bombs from AM because my fiance' listened to videos and said Roush AB's weren't loud enough. The Bombs should be louder than the Roush, I'd imagine...I'm not sure she knew what she was getting into when she said she wanted loud!
My fiance' is the same way. I bought the flowmaster outlaw pipes and my fiance' loves the sound. A neighbor has the Roush axleback and she says they aren't loud enough. WINNING!
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California is beautiful it has some of the funnest canyons to drive on. But when it comes to city driving and lapd chp..... i agree living in ca is expensive and it sucks.
Canyon roads like Muholland, Angeles Crest, Stunt, etc. are absolutely no fun crowded with idiots including Jay Leno. And, they are crowded all the time. I lived there for years. Now I live in clean air and have problems judging distances. When I see a mountain 10 miles away, I think it's only 5 miles distant because I got used to looking at things through smog.
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I didn't see that OP was from CA, my bad. Remember, not everywhere has laws that restrict the amount of noise coming out of your car's exhaust/stereo. "Hoping to find illegal modifications" = profiling and poor law enforcement tactics. I also was only referring to him being 18 y.o. driving a mustang 5.0. Pulling someone over for that is profiling. dcarlin has a good point, time to find some twisties in a new state.
Sorry, but a loud exhaust in California IS NOT PROFILING. It is probable suspicion for a 100% legit traffic stop. Any thing the cop sees during that traffic stop is fair game and it is not "poor law enforcement tactics."

If you are dumb enough to run an exhaust that sets off car alarms in a state with a maximum 95dbA law and laws against modifying emissions equipment, don't blame "profiling."

If you exceed the speed limit, don't drive a Screaming Yellow Mustang with a loud exhaust, stupid sponsor decals and a windshield banner and any equipment violations - especially if you're young. Speeding requires a bit of stealth, not rap music louder than your exhaust.

What am I saying? I want all you guys to speed in your Competition Orange, Azure Blue and Torch Red Mustangs with super loud exhausts, silly body kits, wings and blacked out lights. You keep the cops busy and off the highway when I'm speeding.
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WHERE DID YOU FIND HER!!!! I cant get my wife to look at rims, listen to exhaust, or help me pick out mods AT ALL!

Matthew
Don't you know a good thing when it's happening to you? You actually want to your wife to look at rims and pick out mods?

Aw, isn't that nice.

"Honey, I'm thinking of getting an MSD distributor for the 427 Kirkham Shelby Cobra replica. What do you think, Sweetie?"

"I think the red clashes with the blue engine block and spark plug wires."

"What about tires?"

"Why do those tires have Goodyear written on them in such large letters? That's really ugly!"

"But Sweetie, those are racing tires and they're called "Billboards" and you see, Carroll Shelby was a Goodyear Racing Tire Distributor....."

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Just shoot yourself now and get it over with.

Maybe this explains some of the weird tasteless stuff I see tacked onto perfectly nice cars.
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How about you try to find one better instead of complaining (although I do agree the video isn't the greatest)? LOL.
I wasn't complaining. Thanks for finding/posting a video. I was just saying that, as far as exhaust goes, watching/listening to videos is not a sure way to tell if you like how something sounds. Audio quality is best in person!
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Canyon roads like Muholland, Angeles Crest, Stunt, etc. are absolutely no fun crowded with idiots including Jay Leno. And, they are crowded all the time. I lived there for years. Now I live in clean air and have problems judging distances. When I see a mountain 10 miles away, I think it's only 5 miles distant because I got used to looking at things through smog.
those are the "tourist canyons" everyone knows about them. If you go down pch to Malibu there are some real nice hidden canyons. I pmed matt farah from tuned and he gave me a few nice spots
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What am I saying? I want all you guys to speed in your Competition Orange, Azure Blue and Torch Red Mustangs with super loud exhausts, silly body kits, wings and blacked out lights. You keep the cops busy and off the highway when I'm speeding.
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If you are dumb enough to run an exhaust that sets off car alarms in a state with a maximum 95dbA law and laws against modifying emissions equipment, don't blame "profiling."
An axle back exhaust doesn't really modify any emissions equipment.

That being said, the Roush exhaust should be above the 95 dB limit above 3500 rpms. I was able to find one source though I am not sure how accurate it is: http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ifference.html 99 dB at 3500 rpms.

I just checked out SAE J1169 . Apparently, the test is supposed to be performed at 75% of peak horsepower rpms. Looking at a stock coyote dyno, that should be about 4200 rpms. One thing that I usually note about most aftermarket exhausts for the mustang online is that they mention the SAE J1169. I have not found any information online where Roush acknowledges this test.

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An axle back exhaust doesn't really modify any emissions equipment.

That being said, the Roush exhaust should be above the 95 dB limit above 3500 rpms. I was able to find one source though I am not sure how accurate it is: http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ifference.html 99 dB at 3500 rpms.

I just checked out SAE J1169 . Apparently, the test is supposed to be performed at 75% of peak horsepower rpms. Looking at a stock coyote dyno, that should be about 4200 rpms. One thing that I usually note about most aftermarket exhausts for the mustang online is that they mention the SAE J1169. I have not found any information online where Roush acknowledges this test.
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An axle back exhaust doesn't really modify any emissions equipment.

That being said, the Roush exhaust should be above the 95 dB limit above 3500 rpms. I was able to find one source though I am not sure how accurate it is: http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ifference.html 99 dB at 3500 rpms.

I just checked out SAE J1169 . Apparently, the test is supposed to be performed at 75% of peak horsepower rpms. Looking at a stock coyote dyno, that should be about 4200 rpms. One thing that I usually note about most aftermarket exhausts for the mustang online is that they mention the SAE J1169. I have not found any information online where Roush acknowledges this test.
My point has nothing to do with how the State of California determines compliance with its 95dbA rule. The fact that California has a 95dbA rule and its own set of strict emissions laws means loud exhausts get more attention from LEOs.

California LEOs do not carry decibel meters. They pull you over, write a ticket and then you have the opportunity to prove your exhaust meets the law. All cops are trained to look for equipment violations at traffic stops. Modded cars get extra attention. In California, cops are trained to look for illegal emission mods.

The idea here to avoid getting pulled over. I don't want to get pulled over idling next to a cop at a stop light and I sure as hell don't want to get pulled over at 100MPH by a cop who was looking the other way and turned his head to see me speeding 3/4 of a mile away.

What good is a fast car if a combination of loud exhaust and high school mods draws the attention of every cop within eye and ear shot? At that point, the owner has two choices: Drive fast, get tickets and lose your license or become a poseur and drive slow.

On top of that young drivers can be really, really stupid. I live in a small town in the middle of nowhere. High school kids sometimes get on the gas at 2:00 AM down Main Street when they all know every cop is watching the two bars in town for DUIs and both bars are on Main Street. If these kids drove for 5 minutes, they would be 5 miles out of town on a two lane road with no houses, no people and no intersections in a 7,000 square mile county with no more than six deputies and three highway patrolmen on duty. That's one LEO for every 778 square miles. When you take into account that usually 2 or 3 are at the station doing paperwork, it's more like 1 cop for every 1,000 square miles.

No, they have to stage a mini stop light Grand Prix on Main Street within 1,000 feet of every on duty officer in town. Where every cop knows every car and the kid driving it. And, of course, they video themselves and post the evidence on YouTube.

It's not about telling a cop, "Ha! you don't know Jack! California law sets a 95dbA max. and my Borla cat-back has been tested under SAEJ1169 at 94dbA." It's about not getting pulled over in the first place. and, that's why I've got a license plate with a frame that doesn't cover any of it screwed into the front bumper cover of my '04 Mach 1.

That, and I've memorized the license plate of my friend's '03 Mach 1. Same color, and he copied my suspension mods and wheels. You should have seen the cop's face when I told him it wasn't me speeding, but an identical Mach1. "Yeah, sure. How many of these cars could be registered around here?"

"Officer, just dome a favor and run this plate...."

"What do you know, there is another gray Mach 1 registered around here."

My friend has my plate memorized, too.


No exhaust manufacturer is going to post dbAs or acknowledge any test simply because there's too much depending on the individual car and they have no control over any tests done to satisfy any court. They don't want to get into a pissing contest with a customer who got busted because he has off road cats or headers or whatever.

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The only reason I quoted your post is that you seemed to mention that an axle back could interfere with emissions equipment.

For your post, both Borla and Magnaflow mention that they meet the SAE test. While I am sure the police are not required to carry a decibel meter, you can bet that if I lived in CA, I would carry the results of such a test on my vehicle in order to prevent harassment.
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