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Old 12-30-2013, 03:49 PM   #41
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Old 12-31-2013, 12:02 AM   #42
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Did you show your vid to the cop?
he wasn't interested, if you watch the video closely, the moment i started to lose it was the moment i got on that brand new asphalt, he just assumed i was reckless and wrote me a ticket.
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Old 12-31-2013, 12:03 AM   #43
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Looks like your in Raleigh, it sure was a pouring today.
The police cruizer gives it away.
I have totaled one car before, and I worry about the loss if it happens again.

Hope everything turns out well for you and your stang.
yessir, it was in Raleigh, the car is fixable, should be back in a few months. I am moving to a new apartment so money is a bit tight but its nothing serious, thankfully
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Old 12-31-2013, 12:04 AM   #44
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... etc ... the moment i started to lose it was the moment i got on that brand new asphalt, he just assumed i was reckless and wrote me a ticket.
I understand hurt pride, really I do ..... but laying the blame on new road isn't going to help.

Others didn't wreck there this morning, and surely you weren't the only one to pass there, and it was raining before you got there so you were on notice that there was a good amount of water on the roadway. I don't know what you told him, but for some reason .... like maybe failing to adjust your speed for weather, road, and vehicle conditions (how much tread on those drag radials that you said you had on it?) ... you entered a gradual left hander and lost it on a roadway you knew to be very wet. Thank goodness you weren't meeting another car as you spun across the oncoming lane.

I've had cars hydroplane, I was really lucky, I know it's like ice .... but everytime I have had it happen I knew the conditions were ripe for it and I learned. It was even a part of our training on a heavily surface sealed blacktop with bunches of water sprinklers and 4 tires on the car that are shaved bald like before recaps are put on, except there is no recap added .... and we had to chase each other. It was fun, a controlled environment, but it taught everyone who goes through it just how sudden and fast one can loose it on water soaked surfaces. I think some people forget that water is almost non compressable, it has weight, it can support aircraft carriers even.

What happened to you was simply your tires were asked to move more water than they could out from between rubber and road surface. Some ways to enable increased handling of water by a tire are more tread grooves, deeper tread grooves, more weight per square inch of rubber, or to simply go slower. The water has to go somewhere, the rubber will not absorb it nor will the roadway. Drag radials don't have a lot of tread grooves, the ones they do have are not deep either, and Mustangs aren't all that heavy ....

I doubt he assumed you were reckless, rather I'ld say he just saw that you failed to maintain proper control, that the weather, roadway, and vehicle conditions were known to you prior to the loss of control .... and while I don't know NC law verbatum .... in Va. that's enough that the charge is placed. Sometimes when culpability is slight, a judge will reduce it to "Improper Driving" though .... like in a case such as yours.

There is nothing in this post (or my prior ones) that is intended "negatively" in any way.

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Old 12-31-2013, 12:12 AM   #45
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I don't believe a citation would hold up unless they can prove you did something illegal to cause the accident (eg, speeding, running red light, wreckless driving, etc). I know I'd fight anything else in court, for sure. The only wreck I've been in resulted in no tickets being issued, so I dunno. OP made it sound like they gave him multiple citations even. I'm sure they'd try to stick to a "driving unsafe for the conditions" type thing. The video may not show speed, but it doesn't LOOK like the driver is going overly fast, and I certainly didn't see any wreckless driving. I was just curious what they claimed though.
i was accused for going speed faster than reasonable and prudent under the condition then existing to WIT , greater than this vehicle could be operated in a safe manner . Cop was an *******, when he stopped by to see the accident, i was coming outta the passenger side since i was stuck, didn't even ask if i was ok,
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i was accused for going speed faster than reasonable and prudent under the condition then existing to WIT , greater than this vehicle could be operated in a safe manner . Cop was an *******, when he stopped by to see the accident, i was coming outta the passenger side since i was stuck, didn't even ask if i was ok,
He should have shown more concern, and its more than likely he was a dick to you, but in all honesty you were going faster than reasonable and prudent under the conditions if you hydroplaned off the road. I mean we all make mistakes, and I really don't think he should have given you a ticket (isn't dealing with your pride and joy being wrecked lessen enough?).

I think its caution for us all, wide tires with minimal tread need to be kept of the rain if avoidable, and if forced to drive in the rain, keep the speed 10 lower than the limit.

But you don't need me telling you that right now, and I feel kinda like a dick for saying it.

Sorry that happened man. really sucks.
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Old 12-31-2013, 01:57 AM   #47
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Hey man I just want to say I appreciate you being humble enough to post your video and accident/experience on here. I know I will take some caution away from this so you can at least validate your thread by knowing you did some good. I know you don't need any advice or a physics break down of what occurred as you experienced it first hand (although as an engineer and overall nerd I enjoy a breakdown). Just hope your rebuild or new ride brings you joy! Safe motoring y'all!
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I understand hurt pride, really I do ..... but laying the blame on new road isn't going to help.

Others didn't wreck there this morning, and surely you weren't the only one to pass there, and it was raining before you got there so you were on notice that there was a good amount of water on the roadway. I don't know what you told him, but for some reason .... like maybe failing to adjust your speed for weather, road, and vehicle conditions (how much tread on those drag radials that you said you had on it?) ... you entered a gradual left hander and lost it on a roadway you knew to be very wet. Thank goodness you weren't meeting another car as you spun across the oncoming lane.

I've had cars hydroplane, I was really lucky, I know it's like ice .... but everytime I have had it happen I knew the conditions were ripe for it and I learned. It was even a part of our training on a heavily surface sealed blacktop with bunches of water sprinklers and 4 tires on the car that are shaved bald like before recaps are put on, except there is no recap added .... and we had to chase each other. It was fun, a controlled environment, but it taught everyone who goes through it just how sudden and fast one can loose it on water soaked surfaces. I think some people forget that water is almost non compressable, it has weight, it can support aircraft carriers even.

What happened to you was simply your tires were asked to move more water than they could out from between rubber and road surface. Some ways to enable increased handling of water by a tire are more tread grooves, deeper tread grooves, more weight per square inch of rubber, or to simply go slower. The water has to go somewhere, the rubber will not absorb it nor will the roadway. Drag radials don't have a lot of tread grooves, the ones they do have are not deep either, and Mustangs aren't all that heavy ....

I doubt he assumed you were reckless, rather I'ld say he just saw that you failed to maintain proper control, that the weather, roadway, and vehicle conditions were known to you prior to the loss of control .... and while I don't know NC law verbatum .... in Va. that's enough that the charge is placed. Sometimes when culpability is slight, a judge will reduce it to "Improper Driving" though .... like in a case such as yours.

There is nothing in this post (or my prior ones) that is intended "negatively" in any way.
I appreciate it man, i think lesson learned . Now that i think about it, iam just glad that iam ok and my ride isn't totaled . I was not even 2 inches away from slamming into the phone pole, or an 18 wheeler dragging me with it coming the opposite lane .
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Old 12-31-2013, 08:52 AM   #49
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since i have a small carshop/dealership, i had a couple of people come by and give me estimates on the repairs. I am looking at $1200 ( labor and paint) plus hood and front bumper . I am also looking at replacing after market headlights and turn signals. I am estimating a total of 2500 to get the car back on the road.

I think i got lucky after all, considering it could've been much worse and i could be hurt badly right now. I feel like the car was looking out for me
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Well damn, that's not so bad really. Hope to see you back on the road again soon!
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I appreciate it man, i think lesson learned . Now that i think about it, iam just glad that iam ok and my ride isn't totaled . I was not even 2 inches away from slamming into the phone pole, or an 18 wheeler dragging me with it coming the opposite lane .
I know how you feel, BT/DT .... and tried to learn from it .... too many times.
I'll be 60 this next month and in spite of all life has taught me .... I still succumbed to temptation and ran around Bristol's turn 3-4 ... up off the apron on the high bank .... last night .... slow speed .... in my 2007 F150 FX4 Scab.

Wife was so excited .... danged if that turn ain't steep at 5-10 mph though! (they use to be 36 degrees, but now due to resurfacing, down to 24-30 degrees .... felt steeper!) Pirellis held on and she didn't roll .... think what an idiot I'd have felt like if she had rolled or if I had not topped up the tank and starved the FP?

Maybe that 2" drop job helped?

Now she wants to drive back down there and do it in the Mustang.

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I know how you feel, BT/DT .... and tried to learn from it .... too many times.
I'll be 60 this next month and in spite of all life has taught me .... I still succumbed to temptation and ran around Bristol's turn 3-4 ... up off the apron on the high bank .... last night .... slow speed .... in my 2007 F150 FX4 Scab.

Wife was so excited .... danged if that turn ain't steep at 5-10 mph though! (they use to be 36 degrees, but now due to resurfacing, down to 24-30 degrees .... felt steeper!) Pirellis held on and she didn't roll .... think what an idiot I'd have felt like if she had rolled or if I had not topped up the tank and starved the FP?

Maybe that 2" drop job helped?

Now she wants to drive back down there and do it in the Mustang.
haha iam just glad everything worked out for you and no one got in trouble, i was scared to death when the rear lost it like that, sadly, i was worried more about the car than me getting hurt. Now i gotta worry about fighting those tickets
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Well damn, that's not so bad really. Hope to see you back on the road again soon!
oh yea for sure, i've had this car for 5 years, its like family, i will never let it go like that
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haha iam just glad everything worked out for you and no one got in trouble, i was scared to death when the rear lost it like that, sadly, i was worried more about the car than me getting hurt. Now i gotta worry about fighting those tickets
I was no "cherry" when I joined the VSP in 1978 as between 1970 and 1977 ... I signed for 9 tickets (only 3 were speeding tickets, 2 out of wrecks [no one hurt except me] and a few exhaust and inspection tickets round it out) and I was only suspended once (60 days in 1973 for two speeding tickets within 12 months, automatic) and I had a few verbal warnings / roadside chats in between and I know first hand what happens to insurance (I was cancelled by State Farm in 1976 so I shopped around and got on with Erie out of Pa., saved me some first years, then later saved me more. I have been with Erie since that day 1976 for all my insurance, even have a "no accident / ticket surcharge guarantee" now!!!).... why I said "BT/DT".



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My heart is broken and iam banging my head into the wall for being so damn stupid

Hydroplaned doing 40MPH on a cold and rainy day, wearing Drag radials . Stupid me took the car out last night, then spend the night over my girlfriends house, woke up sunday and it was raining, i left anyway and this crap happened , I am so broken
OUCH!! I'm glad you're ok, Steven Bannoura.

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for those who are wondering, the car just left my shop to a body shop. I am putting back my OEM headlights and turn signals since the aftermarket ones broke. I bought a new truefiber cowl 3" hood for it and should have the car back in 2 weeks or so. Thank you all for your concern, I almost shed a tear looking at it leaving on that truck. Should look the same if not better and should have my bride and joy back.
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for those who are wondering, the car just left my shop to a body shop. I am putting back my OEM headlights and turn signals since the aftermarket ones broke. I bought a new truefiber cowl 3" hood for it and should have the car back in 2 weeks or so. Thank you all for your concern, I almost shed a tear looking at it leaving on that truck. Should look the same if not better and should have my bride and joy back.
hey dude maybe u should have gotten a nice black carbon fiber hood? arent they usually cheaper?
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hey dude maybe u should have gotten a nice black carbon fiber hood? arent they usually cheaper?
not sure to be honest, i got mine for 500 with shipping
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