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Battery and alternator keep going out!!

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Old 07-28-2014, 12:00 AM   #1
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Default Battery and alternator keep going out!!

Hey everyone!
I have a 2008 v6 pony pkg for about three years now and I have been trying to fix this problem for over a year now!
It started with my battery going dead, then a few months my alternator went out.. then a week later, the alternator again.. after my 8th one, it started working right.. for about a year. Then we come to yesterday and its doing it all over again.
My lights dim for a little bit a few times when I drive. I don't have any systems in it or anything.
The only thing that seems to pop out is the positive cable from the alt. its a little burnt from the first time all this happened.
Any one have an idea on what I can do to fix it?
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Old 07-28-2014, 10:15 AM   #2
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First of all, replace the Motorcraft alternator with one from PA Performance. Even the rebuilt Motorcrafts are mediocre. This has been an issue with these S197's since they came out in '05.

Second, are you running any non-OE loads like an aftermarket amp? If so, recheck how you have it wired.

Third, I'd upgrade the battery cables 1 or 2 sizes up unless that burnt wire is solely due to a bad crimp at the lug.
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Old 07-28-2014, 02:53 PM   #3
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Before you just keep throwing more parts at the problem, I suggest having a tech inspect and test the electrical system. You might have a bad connection somewhere.
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That wire is toast. You need to replace it before you have a electrical fire.
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Old 07-29-2014, 09:10 AM   #5
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You may have a voltage drop in the harness. Use a volt meter and check the power from the B+ on the alternator vs at the battery. I've run a new wire from the battery directly to the B+ of the alternator on old euro cars because of a voltage drop
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Thanks everyone. Working on replacing the big 3. And no I don't have any amps or anything extra.. all stock
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And the wirr became burnt when the first alternator burnt.. the plastic piece where the positive cable is connected completely melted, leaving that cable fried
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I agree with Nuke, get a good alternator and upgrade the battery cables and grounds. Make sure all of the connections are cleaned with a wire brush. Any corrosion will cause a voltage drop and get hot. You can check everything by running it about ten minute with the headlights on and spay a little water on the connectors, if they are hot, the water will sizzle.
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What battery did you put it? Did the alternator issues start happening when the battery was replaced?

I have a v6 battery/alternator cable if you need one.
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Please make sure the battery is charged fully before installing your alt. If you use your Alt to fully charge a dead battery it will end up cooking it. Alternators are designed to maintain a charge in a battery, not maintain a charge and charge the battery fully at the same time. They can do it, but they will get ruined.
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Please make sure the battery is charged fully before installing your alt. If you use your Alt to fully charge a dead battery it will end up cooking it. Alternators are designed to maintain a charge in a battery, not maintain a charge and charge the battery fully at the same time. They can do it, but they will get ruined.
This seems a bit over the top. This would indicate that every time someone in the world leaves their cabin light on and the battery dies, they should not get a jump.

Well at least I am assuming that when jumping you give it enough juice to start the car and then driving it after that is what recharges the battery. No?


Anyway, back to the topic....

OP, I am shocked that you waiting until after buying 8 alternators because asking for some help. I think I would have been done on the second one. But what makes you think the alternators went bad. That seems like a much bigger issues if you replaced that many in 3 years. That is almost 3 alts a year.

I agree with norm on the things to do. As for the performance alt, I really have no opinion. I have had my v6 pony package since 2009 and have yet to replace the alternator. I have changed the battery once.

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Please make sure the battery is charged fully before installing your alt. If you use your Alt to fully charge a dead battery it will end up cooking it. Alternators are designed to maintain a charge in a battery, not maintain a charge and charge the battery fully at the same time. They can do it, but they will get ruined.
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This seems a bit over the top. This would indicate that every time someone in the world leaves their cabin light on and the battery dies, they should not get a jump.

Well at least I am assuming that when jumping you give it enough juice to start the car and then driving it after that is what recharges the battery. No?
Simon1 is essentially correct. The alternator may not fail immediately, but it will probably be weakened somewhat and fail earlier than it would have had it not been used to charge a battery with low charge.

Ford differentiates between batteries that are deeply discharged and those that have a shallow discharge. Leaving an accessory on for several hours or a few days will generally result in a battery with a very low charge, but it will not be completely dead.

In any event, Ford says that batteries with either deep or shallow discharge should be charged using an external charger.

If you're jump starting a car, I would heed the advice from Ford, rather than those who say to turn off all accessories. Ford says to leave the fan on, with all other accessories off, to minimize damage from electrical surges. This should be done on both the jumper and jumpee vehicles. There can be surges when you start the car, and also when you unhook the battery cables after both cars are running. Again, electrical surges may not be evident immediately, but you may weaken the electrical system and have problems in the future.

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Simon1 is essentially correct. The alternator may not fail immediately, but it will probably be weakened somewhat and fail earlier than it would have had it not been used to charge a battery with low charge.

Ford differentiates between batteries that are deeply discharged and those that have a shallow discharge. Leaving an accessory on for several hours or a few days will generally result in a battery with a very low charge, but it will not be completely dead.

In any event, Ford says that batteries with either deep or shallow discharge should be charged using an external charger.


If you're jump starting a car, I would heed the advice from Ford, rather than those who say to turn off all accessories. Ford says to leave the fan on, with all other accessories off, to minimize damage from electrical surges. This should be done on both the jumper and jumpee vehicles. There can be surges when you start the car, and also when you unhook the battery cables after both cars are running. Again, electrical surges may not be evident immediately, but you may weaken the electrical system and have problems in the future.

Back to our regularly scheduled show.
Thank you for explaining a little better.
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Thanks everyone! I did find out if I turn my radio off before turning my car off, it starts just fine!
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