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gmoran1469 08-11-2014 07:12 PM

No 09' S/C kits?
 
Just looked at the Paxton and Vortech S/C kits and both don't offer a "complete" 09' kit. Just a tuner kit, which is everything but the fuel system upgrades and the ecm reprogramming. Why don't they offer kits for the 09' that have these things?

Simon1 08-12-2014 10:06 AM

It's because you are destined for a twin screw......

J/k

Not sure why they do that, but it's easy to fix. Buy a GT500 pump kit and if you already have a tuner you should be good. Might and probably will need a Mafia for your MAF sensor or a different MAF if it doesn't come with one.

So_Cali 08-12-2014 01:18 PM

Thats weird, I was under the assumption that 05-09, even the 10s were all the same.

SSG Steggy 08-12-2014 01:22 PM

Twin Screw:icon_headbang:

Wish they had one for the 3.7L!

Derf00 08-12-2014 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by So_Cali (Post 8417505)
Thats weird, I was under the assumption that 05-09, even the 10s were all the same.

No, in 07 Ford made some changes to the cooling system. Depending on your FI kit you may either need to upgrade the cooling system in your 05-06 to match the 07+ or the kit comes with the needed parts.

There are a few other minor differences between 05-06 and 07+ but each FI kit will address them as needed.

2010 has a few minor differences too.


http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/...-mustang.shtml

http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/images/2.pdf (note the different parts lists for 05-06 and 07-08 and 2010...hmm no mention of 2009.)

http://www.paxtonauto.com/product.php?id=103 (again note the different part numbers (and prices) for 05-06 and 07+.

americaniron 08-12-2014 04:07 PM

I believe Brenspeed and others sell complete packages for your 09. Even though the link says 05-08, their add says it's a complete package and that it will fit the 09 too. Call them and ask. I know they use their tunes loaded onto an SCT tuner.

But unless you are set on a centrifugal supercharger, I would suggest going with a positive displacement one like a roots, or twin screw system.

http://www.brenspeed.com/05-08-musta...rchargers.html

gmoran1469 08-12-2014 04:16 PM

It's gonna be twin screw or centri. Not sure yet, still trying to do more research. I see a lot of people complaining of heat soak with the twin screw.

So_Cali 08-12-2014 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derf00 (Post 8417540)
No, in 07 Ford made some changes to the cooling system. Depending on your FI kit you may either need to upgrade the cooling system in your 05-06 to match the 07+ or the kit comes with the needed parts.

There are a few other minor differences between 05-06 and 07+ but each FI kit will address them as needed.

2010 has a few minor differences too.


http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/...-mustang.shtml

http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/images/2.pdf (note the different parts lists for 05-06 and 07-08 and 2010...hmm no mention of 2010.)

http://www.paxtonauto.com/product.php?id=103 (again note the different part numbers (and prices) for 05-06 and 07+.

Thanks for the info, I had no idea. The more you know lol. +1

dlazrael 08-12-2014 07:41 PM

I haven't noticed that much heat soak, how hard are you running on a consistant basis? You could also go for something like KBs liquid cooled systems. I absolutely love my Whipple 2.3, it's got power from the word go... there's no lag time. I was originally set on centri back in 05 for my 03 Mach... because it was a mach, but research shows the PD/TS is alot better....

What are your end goals? Racing? Auto X? Fun factor? ass plant factor?

But in the end. FEEL THE BOOST!

gmoran1469 08-12-2014 09:26 PM

street car but plan on having it for a while and eventually trying to hit 650 rwhp at least

DRock 08-12-2014 10:21 PM

It is because of the damn CMCV things that are incorporated into our intake manifolds. Companies didnt want to spend the $$$$$ to redo a tune that already works for 1 year production car!

gmoran1469 08-13-2014 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DRock (Post 8417675)
It is because of the damn CMCV things that are incorporated into our intake manifolds. Companies didnt want to spend the $$$$$ to redo a tune that already works for 1 year production car!

Wait, what? Can you explain this further please.

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Originally Posted by gmoran1469 (Post 8417663)
street car but plan on having it for a while and eventually trying to hit 650 rwhp at least

To add more to this, I plan on buying a S/C kit and running stock internals on low boost (7-9 psi). Then eventually swapping to forged internals and increasing boost to around 15+psi.

Derf00 08-13-2014 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gmoran1469 (Post 8417663)
street car but plan on having it for a while and eventually trying to hit 650 rwhp at least

Best start out with fixing up that block to handle that type of HP. Stock block will get you to about 550HP at the flywheel, that's when little things like wrist pins and piston rods start banging about :D

gmoran1469 08-13-2014 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derf00 (Post 8417810)
Best start out with fixing up that block to handle that type of HP. Stock block will get you to about 550HP at the flywheel, that's when little things like wrist pins and piston rods start banging about :D

Yeah, see the post above. Planning on low boost until I build the engine.

americaniron 08-13-2014 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gmoran1469 (Post 8417663)
street car but plan on having it for a while and eventually trying to hit 650 rwhp at least

I made it to the 650 rwhp mark, but it wasn't easy or cheap. Sometimes I think I should have just got a used GT500, and modded it instead. There were lots of extra costs in order to do it right.

Simon1 08-13-2014 09:39 PM

I do not get heat soak with my KB under normal driving. I do have a rather large tank for my intercooler water, but even before that it was fine. The big tank was to take care of heat soak at the track.

If the centri blowers use air to air intercoolers which will help with the heat soak. For daily driving or brief spirited runs, you won't notice heat soak.

My overall impression from everyone who have put blowers on their cars is that people tend to be overly happy with the twin screw blowers, even more so than the roots type. But to each their own. All of the OEMs seems to use PD blowers. But IDK...

Do your research. Look around at different set ups of people who have achieved the goals you are thinking about and follow a path that has already been taken. It will be much cheaper and less of a headache.

My engine is almost entirely stock functionally. I do have aftermarket valves and valve springs, but they do not create extra power. The internals are built, blue printed balanced etc. I make 540 rwhp that is driven in all types of dry weather. I run on pump gas and I do not have to tinker with it all that much. Mostly it's just regular maintenance.

Try and do the install yourself. You will thank me later when you need to fix something and understand where everything is and how it works.

Best of luck and keep us posted!!!

Derf00 08-19-2014 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRock (Post 8417675)
It is because of the damn CMCV things that are incorporated into our intake manifolds. Companies didnt want to spend the $$$$$ to redo a tune that already works for 1 year production car!

Not sure I understand...all 05-10 mustangs have these. They are an intermediate plate that sits between the intake manifold and the Intake of the head.

Did they incorporate the valves into the actual intake manifold in 2009 (like one piece and not able to remove/replace them without replacing the entire intake)?? That would seem kinda stupid considering the intake is plastic and the valves are metal.

gmoran1469 08-19-2014 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derf00 (Post 8419511)
Not sure I understand...all 05-10 mustangs have these. They are an intermediate plate that sits between the intake manifold and the Intake of the head.

Did they incorporate the valves into the actual intake manifold in 2009 (like one piece and not able to remove/replace them without replacing the entire intake)?? That would seem kinda stupid considering the intake is plastic and the valves are metal.

Hrmm... Ya know I've taken off my manifold and I can't remember for the life of me for certain but I want to say YES, they are incorporated. I vividly remember removing butterflys attached to a rod to clean them from all the oil gunk that had built up but I don't remember pulling them off the block but rather the intake manifold.

Derf00 08-19-2014 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by gmoran1469 (Post 8419531)
Hrmm... Ya know I've taken off my manifold and I can't remember for the life of me for certain but I want to say YES, they are incorporated. I vividly remember removing butterflys attached to a rod to clean them from all the oil gunk that had built up but I don't remember pulling them off the block but rather the intake manifold.

http://www.americanmuscle.com/steeda...on-plates.html

Yup, you're right. Look at the 'Note' about 2009+. Hmm, learn something new everyday.


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