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Old 08-11-2014, 07:12 PM   #1
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Just looked at the Paxton and Vortech S/C kits and both don't offer a "complete" 09' kit. Just a tuner kit, which is everything but the fuel system upgrades and the ecm reprogramming. Why don't they offer kits for the 09' that have these things?
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It's because you are destined for a twin screw......

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Not sure why they do that, but it's easy to fix. Buy a GT500 pump kit and if you already have a tuner you should be good. Might and probably will need a Mafia for your MAF sensor or a different MAF if it doesn't come with one.
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Thats weird, I was under the assumption that 05-09, even the 10s were all the same.
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Twin Screw

Wish they had one for the 3.7L!
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Thats weird, I was under the assumption that 05-09, even the 10s were all the same.
No, in 07 Ford made some changes to the cooling system. Depending on your FI kit you may either need to upgrade the cooling system in your 05-06 to match the 07+ or the kit comes with the needed parts.

There are a few other minor differences between 05-06 and 07+ but each FI kit will address them as needed.

2010 has a few minor differences too.


http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/...-mustang.shtml

http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/images/2.pdf (note the different parts lists for 05-06 and 07-08 and 2010...hmm no mention of 2009.)

http://www.paxtonauto.com/product.php?id=103 (again note the different part numbers (and prices) for 05-06 and 07+.
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I believe Brenspeed and others sell complete packages for your 09. Even though the link says 05-08, their add says it's a complete package and that it will fit the 09 too. Call them and ask. I know they use their tunes loaded onto an SCT tuner.

But unless you are set on a centrifugal supercharger, I would suggest going with a positive displacement one like a roots, or twin screw system.

http://www.brenspeed.com/05-08-musta...rchargers.html
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It's gonna be twin screw or centri. Not sure yet, still trying to do more research. I see a lot of people complaining of heat soak with the twin screw.
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No, in 07 Ford made some changes to the cooling system. Depending on your FI kit you may either need to upgrade the cooling system in your 05-06 to match the 07+ or the kit comes with the needed parts.

There are a few other minor differences between 05-06 and 07+ but each FI kit will address them as needed.

2010 has a few minor differences too.


http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/...-mustang.shtml

http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/images/2.pdf (note the different parts lists for 05-06 and 07-08 and 2010...hmm no mention of 2010.)

http://www.paxtonauto.com/product.php?id=103 (again note the different part numbers (and prices) for 05-06 and 07+.
Thanks for the info, I had no idea. The more you know lol. +1
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I haven't noticed that much heat soak, how hard are you running on a consistant basis? You could also go for something like KBs liquid cooled systems. I absolutely love my Whipple 2.3, it's got power from the word go... there's no lag time. I was originally set on centri back in 05 for my 03 Mach... because it was a mach, but research shows the PD/TS is alot better....

What are your end goals? Racing? Auto X? Fun factor? *** plant factor?

But in the end. FEEL THE BOOST!
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street car but plan on having it for a while and eventually trying to hit 650 rwhp at least
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It is because of the damn CMCV things that are incorporated into our intake manifolds. Companies didnt want to spend the $$$$$ to redo a tune that already works for 1 year production car!
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It is because of the damn CMCV things that are incorporated into our intake manifolds. Companies didnt want to spend the $$$$$ to redo a tune that already works for 1 year production car!
Wait, what? Can you explain this further please.

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street car but plan on having it for a while and eventually trying to hit 650 rwhp at least
To add more to this, I plan on buying a S/C kit and running stock internals on low boost (7-9 psi). Then eventually swapping to forged internals and increasing boost to around 15+psi.
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street car but plan on having it for a while and eventually trying to hit 650 rwhp at least
Best start out with fixing up that block to handle that type of HP. Stock block will get you to about 550HP at the flywheel, that's when little things like wrist pins and piston rods start banging about
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Best start out with fixing up that block to handle that type of HP. Stock block will get you to about 550HP at the flywheel, that's when little things like wrist pins and piston rods start banging about
Yeah, see the post above. Planning on low boost until I build the engine.
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I made it to the 650 rwhp mark, but it wasn't easy or cheap. Sometimes I think I should have just got a used GT500, and modded it instead. There were lots of extra costs in order to do it right.
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I do not get heat soak with my KB under normal driving. I do have a rather large tank for my intercooler water, but even before that it was fine. The big tank was to take care of heat soak at the track.

If the centri blowers use air to air intercoolers which will help with the heat soak. For daily driving or brief spirited runs, you won't notice heat soak.

My overall impression from everyone who have put blowers on their cars is that people tend to be overly happy with the twin screw blowers, even more so than the roots type. But to each their own. All of the OEMs seems to use PD blowers. But IDK...

Do your research. Look around at different set ups of people who have achieved the goals you are thinking about and follow a path that has already been taken. It will be much cheaper and less of a headache.

My engine is almost entirely stock functionally. I do have aftermarket valves and valve springs, but they do not create extra power. The internals are built, blue printed balanced etc. I make 540 rwhp that is driven in all types of dry weather. I run on pump gas and I do not have to tinker with it all that much. Mostly it's just regular maintenance.

Try and do the install yourself. You will thank me later when you need to fix something and understand where everything is and how it works.

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It is because of the damn CMCV things that are incorporated into our intake manifolds. Companies didnt want to spend the $$$$$ to redo a tune that already works for 1 year production car!
Not sure I understand...all 05-10 mustangs have these. They are an intermediate plate that sits between the intake manifold and the Intake of the head.

Did they incorporate the valves into the actual intake manifold in 2009 (like one piece and not able to remove/replace them without replacing the entire intake)?? That would seem kinda stupid considering the intake is plastic and the valves are metal.
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Not sure I understand...all 05-10 mustangs have these. They are an intermediate plate that sits between the intake manifold and the Intake of the head.

Did they incorporate the valves into the actual intake manifold in 2009 (like one piece and not able to remove/replace them without replacing the entire intake)?? That would seem kinda stupid considering the intake is plastic and the valves are metal.
Hrmm... Ya know I've taken off my manifold and I can't remember for the life of me for certain but I want to say YES, they are incorporated. I vividly remember removing butterflys attached to a rod to clean them from all the oil gunk that had built up but I don't remember pulling them off the block but rather the intake manifold.
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Hrmm... Ya know I've taken off my manifold and I can't remember for the life of me for certain but I want to say YES, they are incorporated. I vividly remember removing butterflys attached to a rod to clean them from all the oil gunk that had built up but I don't remember pulling them off the block but rather the intake manifold.
http://www.americanmuscle.com/steeda...on-plates.html

Yup, you're right. Look at the 'Note' about 2009+. Hmm, learn something new everyday.
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