Well Well Well. Mustang beats Camaro and Challanger on C&D. - Page 5

ThisBlood147 · 06-03-2009, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Riptide

Weight is not the mustang's secret weapon.

Then how would you presume to explain it performing so closely to the R/T and so admirably against the SS.......despite being seriously outgunned in the power department? Quantum physics?

The fact that the Mustang is considerably lighter than its two competitors is PRECISELY the reason it is fairing so well in the comparos. If it weighed the same as the SS or heavier with only 315hp.......it'd be dead last for sure. If you think 3500 lbs is "boat" territory.........what do you consider 3850 lbs and 4100 lbs?..........."cruise ship" territory?

Now, mind you Riptide, I'm not one to go on and on about how wonderful the Mustang is because it's lighter than its competition. But you're acting as if the weight difference is irrelevant. I certainly have nothing against the new Challenger. Hell, I love it. I just think the new Mustang has the better all-around performance potential. As someone said recently.......it's easier to add power than it is to shed weight.

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ztalon · 06-03-2009, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ThisBlood147

Yes, the Challenger has more power to make up for its weight. But all that weight KILLS its other performance dynamics (handling, braking, etc.). It truly is a 2 door Charger with slightly better acceleration characteristics IMO.

The size and weight are handicaps for sure. Take a few hundred pounds off and chop 6-12 inches off the car and the results could be quite a bit different. Having to share a platform (Charger) that was already large, didn't help the Challenger in the weight and size category.

The Challenger (to me) is a better looking and slightly smaller Charger with 2 doors.

Bmr4life · 06-03-2009, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Riptide

A 3500+ pound car is not a light car. People driving them ought to be careful about what they call a boat.

Not to mention the challenger has 125hp over the mustang in the SRT and 70hp in the R/T. I think the R/T also weighs a bit less than the SRT.

Wow.

You're digging your hole deeper and deeper man. Just stop now before you hit China.

We're talking about 3 Motor City Muscles cars here, not a Vett, not a Lotus. So the Mustang IS THE LIGHTEST OF THE THREE!!!

I didn't post the Camaro weight, but it is 300lbs more than the mustang according to the article.

Lastly, get the SRT out of here. Its dumb to compare a GT to a $50k SRT. That's what the GT500 is for. I guess you didn't realize that.

Bmr4life · 06-03-2009, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Riptide

Weight is not the mustang's secret weapon.

Look at the figures you quoted. If you go on power to weight it is actually in the worst position of all 3.

I el oh el every time I hear an s197 GT owner critisize the challenger or the camaro for it's weight.

And yes I'm quite aware that if we're not talking straight line acceleration the challenger finishes dead last.

Alright, you officially made it to China with this post.

The mustang makes the LEAST POWER by a good bit. Yet it kept up with the Challenger and did decent against the Camaro. I hope you can take some math and physics classes while you're overseas. You need a refresher.

Bmr4life · 06-03-2009, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Riptide

Common quote? Where are you reading that kind of quote in the first place? I'm having a hard time thinking of where I last heard someone say that.

A dodge board maybe?

/shrug

I've heard 10x more people on THIS forum bitch about the s197 and it's weight vs. the new edge by far than anything else.

I missed this line earlier. Now I must ask, wtf is your point? The s197 weighs more then a new edge, gotcha. Yet still weighs 300 less than a Camaro and 550 less than the Challenger.

What does a new edge's weight have to do with this thread at all?

You trying to say the S197 is a TUG BOAT versus a New Edge? lol Then what do you call the Camaro and Challenger? Cruise Liner and Freight Boat?

Bmr4life · 06-03-2009, 08:34 AM

Back on topic.

As everyone can see. The Mustang did very well against its Rivals. The Challenger is a close competitor on the strip, but everywhere else is gets left in the dust.

The true threat is the Camaro. When you look at the figures, it is a beast. It gets out handled as well, but not nearly as bad at the Challenger. Then add on the fact is makes gobs of power and it makes you take notice.

Get your mods ready people. Never know when you may run into an SS on the street.

Riptide · 06-03-2009, 09:34 AM

Some simple factoids here that are pretty much indisputable.

Noone with a 3500+ pound car should be making fun of another car for it's weight. Especially when that other car has power to help make up for it. Period.

If cars were boats then the Mustang is a battleship, the Camaro an aircraft carrier, and the Challenger a supertanker. Are you happy now?

The NE comment came into the discussion because I hear more people make statements regarding the weight of the s197 on this board than I do anywhere else by far. IME it is your fellow mustang owners who make fun of the s197 and it's "boat" status the most.

Regarding the other performance dynamics, they all count for something, but most people here place the emphasis on acceleration.

Bmr4life · 06-03-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Riptide

Some simple factoids here that are pretty much indisputable.

Noone with a 3500+ pound car should be making fun of another car for it's weight. Especially when that other car has power to help make up for it. Period.

If cars were boats then the Mustang is a battleship, the Camaro an aircraft carrier, and the Challenger a supertanker. Are you happy now?

The NE comment came into the discussion because I hear more people make statements regarding the weight of the s197 on this board than I do anywhere else by far. IME it is your fellow mustang owners who make fun of the s197 and it's "boat" status the most.

Regarding the other performance dynamics, they all count for something, but most people here place the emphasis on acceleration.

Man, you OBVIOUSLY haven't taken that math refresher yet.

(4140-3580)/4140*100 = 13.5% Challenger weighs 13.5% more than a Mustang.

(3580-3132)/3580*100 = 12.5% S197 weighs 12.5% more than a C6 Z06

Mustang weighs 12.5% more than a Z06. WOW most would say. BUT then the Challenger still weighs another 13.5% more than the Mustang.

Sure, Corvette owners would call the Mustang a boat. But we Mustang owners DEFINITELY have the right to call the Challenger a Boat. Period. You can't fight the numbers.

(3580-3300)/3580*100 = 7.8% S197 weighs 7.8% more than a New Edge Mustang. Also, don't forget power increased from 260hp to 300hp (05-09). A 13.3% increase.

You say you hear a ton of people talk about how heavy an S197 is versus a NE. Fine. People whine about 7.8% weight increase.

Well how many MORE people would whine about a 13.5% weight increase when comparing an S197 to a Challenger?

Riptide · 06-03-2009, 10:17 AM

You're still missing the point.

I'm done explaining myself.

Bmr4life · 06-03-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Riptide

You're still missing the point.

I'm done explaining myself.

I'm pretty sure everyone in this thread would say thank you, and that YOU are the one missing the point.

Sure someone in a non V8 powered muscle car in the $35k price range can call my mustang a boat. ITS ANOTHER F'ING CLASS.

We're talking about the Camaro, Challenger, and Mustang. THAT IS THE POINT.