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MustangForums Editor 05-04-2012 11:29 AM

V6 Mustang vs Subaru BRZ Head2Head
 
Read it here: MotorTrend Pits V6 Mustang Against Subaru BRZ

The guys at MotorTrend took the 2013 V6 and the Subaru's new sports car out to play in canyons. Personally, I think it's a valid comparison only because they have similar performance, they just go about it in two very different ways.

JayyVee 05-04-2012 01:20 PM

Interesting comparison, and what I'd expect from each car honestly. The Mustang is a bigger, longer car - thus the body roll (which can be taken care of easily with a decent aftermarket suspension - Ford's track pack doesn't really address that significantly - the rear still lifts like stock on a brake stand..), The brx is a smaller, lighter car that can be tossed around like nuts, with a solid IRS, capable of putting down the HP that it does deliver. Not as fun though, as the guy puts it - I can put my foot to the floor the whole time I'm driving. That tells me - lacking balls.

Reminds me of my old underpowered 2k 3 series I owned. I felt similar about both cars (the old bimmer and my new stang) as they did about these 2 cars. Till I modified my Stang's suspension significantly. body roll, gone, rear lift under power braking gone.

Given what I learned through life lessons.. I'd stick with the Stang, as it has plenty to deliver with room to modify, the BRZ short of FI doesn't look like it'll offer much in the way of personalizing and there is no 'big brother version' in a GT model as there obviously is with the pony car. (imho)

Very glad to see the Mustang taken elsewhere, off the dragstrip and into more 'normal' situations. This is where it's future lies..

mph07alloy 05-04-2012 05:04 PM

The BRZ is an interesting car. Give it.... lets say......about 300hp and it would start getting a lot more interesting. I would probably still never own one though.

I_Call_D.I.B.s 05-04-2012 08:19 PM

I was considering the Scion FR-S (the BRZ's twin) before I bought my V-6. I think what turned me off from the Scionbaru is the fact that it uses an open-deck engine. I'm sure at some point I would want to stick a snail on it and I'm concerned over how much boost the block can take. That plus it would be harder to get an aftermarket turbocharged car to pass emissions than a factory turbo car.

That said, I'm pretty happy with my Mustang aside from the pitching Mr. Pobst talked about in the video. It's a little unnerving, especially mid-corner. I'm going to autocross my V-6PP at least once in bone stock condition for a baseline. My first planned mod was going to be a cat-back or 18" wheels for DD work, but depending how my first a-x in the Mustang goes, I might get Koni Yellows first instead.

Miniata 05-04-2012 10:33 PM

I watched that with great interest. I've been a Mustang fan for 25 years (I've owned four since 1988), but in the last ten years I've really grown to appreciate small, lightweight, good handling cars, like the Miata I've had for the past six years. I put a deposit down and ordered a Subaru BRZ a couple of months ago.

My wife would like me to get rid of one of my current cars if/when I get the BRZ, but I don't want to let go of either my Mustang or the Miata. My deposit is refundable, so I'll at least get in a test drive before making the decision. If we had more details on the next Mustang I may hold out for that if it is everything I'm hoping it will be (smaller, lighter, etc).

In the video comparison the BRZ would have benefitted greatly from better tires, as the Pirellis on the Mustang were definitely superior, but on the flip side, some of the complaints about the Mustang could have been solved with better shocks/struts.

CaptainRon 05-05-2012 01:00 AM

We'll see what Ford has to offer in the 2015 model. They said it will be smaller, lighter and feature IRS.

WindyMustang 05-05-2012 11:51 AM

1. Almost certainly there's a turbo in the future for the BRZ.

2. You can already get a nice Procharger for a V6PP car.

Being a guy that shops from the Big and Tall rack, the fit on the 'stang is better, and the interior (while not exactly an Audi) is a much nicer place to be than the "black is all you need" BRZ.

Still, isn't it nice to hear of a V6 mustang as a driver's car?! Hope mine gets built well and soon (in that order!).

justinschmidt1 05-07-2012 10:31 AM

The BRZ will be a cool car when they offer a 300 hp turbo version....

TommyGNR 05-16-2012 01:12 PM

The video p's me off. The Mustang was faster 0-60, 1/4, and around a Road Course, yet they declare the BRZ a better "drivers car". If the BRZ was a better drivers car it would have beaten the Mustang around the road course. It doesn't match the Mustang's performance at any non-subjective measurement so they invent a subjective one "drivers car". Motortrend is biased toward asian imports - remember when they compared the Genesis to the Mustang. This is another example of it and its why I don't buy their magazine anymore.

I_Call_D.I.B.s 05-24-2012 07:29 PM

Well, if you didn't like the video, check your blood pressure before you read the article! MT compared the Mustang V-6PP to the Golf GTI, Genesis Coupe 2.0T R-Spec, Miata, and FR-S/BRZ twins. It's still the fastest around Willow Springs and put down the best numbers in many categories, but it came in 4th place in the subjective comparison. The FT-86 forum scanned and posted the article as a .pdf, partway down the page. Read up quick in case Source Interlink tells them to take it down:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6776

Lap times:
1. Mustang: 1:29.09
2. Genesis: 1:29.12
3. BRZ: 1:30.32
4. FR-S: 1:31.15
5. GTI: 1:31.47
6. Miata: 1:31.88

They also took a Genesis Coupe 3.8L V-6 for a lap in a sidebar (too expensive for this comparo) and it beat the Mustang with a 1:28.71.

Comparison scoring:
6. Genesis
5. GTI
4. Mustang
3. Miata
2. FR-S
1. BRZ

TommyGNR 05-25-2012 12:24 PM

Once again - Mustang is faster yet "doesn't have as sporty a feel'. I rest my case.

Double Tap 05-25-2012 07:46 PM

It's not a driver's car
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TommyGNR (Post 7942392)
The video p's me off. The Mustang was faster 0-60, 1/4, and around a Road Course, yet they declare the BRZ a better "drivers car". If the BRZ was a better drivers car it would have beaten the Mustang around the road course. It doesn't match the Mustang's performance at any non-subjective measurement so they invent a subjective one "drivers car". Motortrend is biased toward asian imports - remember when they compared the Genesis to the Mustang. This is another example of it and its why I don't buy their magazine anymore.

I have a 12 vert premium auto. I love this car. I also have an 03 Jaguar X-Type 2.5 auto.

The Stang kicks the crap out of the Jag in any way you want to measure performance statistically.

HOWEVER the Jag is more of a drivers car and I will definitely push the Jag
much harder on twisting roads because it inspires more confidence on rough roads and just plain FEELS like a
better handling car.

SD 197 05-25-2012 07:48 PM

Compared to my old bimmer, my Mustang feels like a truck. But I mean that in the best of ways.

The Mustang has other qualities that make me want to drive it everyday.

Jas5 05-30-2012 02:10 PM

Great review.. expected that. The BRZ really caught my eye a month or so ago, the styling and intentions are spot on. But like everyone else has said, power is lacking. If you want to be pushed back in your seat, or just want to get on it when getting onto the highway, it's "sporty" but not "fast", and the reviewer even mentions how honda's v-tec (they both have near identical power) feels livelier than that boxer engine. 151lb-ft torque is not much. Just think if it had 230 hp and 190 lb-ft..... without a turbo

Looked like the 3.7 had some good power when they did the straight line runs

BlueDevil 06-02-2012 09:43 PM

FR-S
 
Hi everyone. I'm coming late to this thread. But I've owned a 2006 V-6 Mustang then in 2008 traded it for a lightly used 2005 GT with a manual transmission. I sold my GT and bought the Scion FR-S.

I loved both my Mustangs but didn't need its massive horsepower and I wanted a sporty car with a really nice automatic. The FR-S/BRZ cars are not as straight line fast as the Mustang, but they really do have a nice 'go cart' feel that the Mustang's don't. In the end the size and philosophy of the cars are too different to really compare. The S197 platform can go from V-6 to the Shelby GT500. The FR-S/BRZ were designed as more modest performance cars with an emphasis on road feel.

A lot of reviewers have said the car feels really fast even thought it's not brutally fast. I would have to agree. It's nice to drive.

OneLargeToe 06-03-2012 11:51 AM

Come on, the reality is that most of us don't drive our cars on a track. My Mustang is a daily driver and straight-line speed, raw horsepower and torque are far more useful. Nothing beats the grin I get when I blow past some Prius struggling to get up to speed on the interstate.

At any rate, I read that article and I too thought it was BS. "Drivers car" or not, the Mustang put down the best numbers. That's all that matters at the end of the day.

Double Tap 06-03-2012 08:06 PM

Oh come on
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OneLargeToe (Post 7958015)
Come on, the reality is that most of us don't drive our cars on a track. My Mustang is a daily driver and straight-line speed, raw horsepower and torque are far more useful. Nothing beats the grin I get when I blow past some Prius struggling to get up to speed on the interstate.

At any rate, I read that article and I too thought it was BS. "Drivers car" or not, the Mustang put down the best numbers. That's all that matters at the end of the day.

Please do not take this as a personal attack in any way. I think you are probably a younger person who might not have had the joyful experience of driving a very good handling and balanced car.

All I have to do is drive 10 minutes north of NYC into Westchester County to be on some twisting up and down roads.

As I said in a previous post I have an 03 Jaguar X - Type 2.5 mouse motor with auto and all wheel drive.

While I am sure that if I pushed the Stang hard and drove in a way that's not prudent on public roads, I could get the Stang to be as quick through the curves. However power slides are a quick way to wind up with a visit to the Graybar Hotel or possibly in a ditch.

My mouse motor Jag is definitely much quicker and safer in those conditions.

That said I love the Stang and where I can use pure power the Stang is a blast to drive and I am seriously considering getting a 2015 if they go with an independent rear. If Ford keeps the live rear I will be looking at the competition.
Again this is not meant in any way other than to point out to you that raw power is not the answer to all situations.

TommyGNR 06-04-2012 08:03 AM

Double Tap - from your posting I can tell you don't actually have a '11 or '12 V6 with the Performance Package.

Double Tap 06-04-2012 01:00 PM

Correct
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TommyGNR (Post 7958686)
Double Tap - from your posting I can tell you don't actually have a '11 or '12 V6 with the Performance Package.

You are correct, it does not have the PP, but then again neither does my 03 X-Type with the Mickey Mouse Motor have the Sport Package that was available :)

TommyGNR 06-05-2012 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double Tap (Post 7958938)
You are correct, it does not have the PP, but then again neither does my 03 X-Type with the Mickey Mouse Motor have the Sport Package that was available :)

1) Motortrend tested the lateral resistence to G on v6 with the PP to be .98 - higher than a BMW M3, GT Mustang, and only .02 lower than the Boss 302.
2) Motortrend tested the 0 - 60 - 0 (braking ability) for the v6 with the PP - also beating the M3.

The v6 with PP can hold turns at a higher speed and brake faster than a M3.
Your 03 X-type with or without its Sport package was barely competitive with a BMW 328 when it came out much less a current M series.

The v6 with the PP can hold turns with ease that would put your jag in a ditch.
Maybe its the lacking engine performance (192 hp/172 ft-lbs) that makes you feel safe?


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