Super charger on a stock v6 - Page 3

zanypunk · 10-08-2009, 05:01 PM

Stock blocks can only take up about 350. If you want more 400 to 450 (wet intercooler) then the engine block will need some mods, . A friend of mine did my block and all I had to do is just assemble it with bigger pistons, ported with cyl heads,cams, and head studs so on... From http://www.supersixmotorsports.com/p...1HeadsCams.pdf
Labor work didn't cost me but the parts did At least you could get some discounts just find out more from supersix web site. It cost me $6924 and the total cost of the car with all the mods cost me $35824 About the same range of a new Mustang GT but with a lot of HP on a v6.
I just want to bring this out there. BMW's thinks their v6 engines are the best out there because it can put out more than you can expect. Plus I enjoy working with those engines.
Hint. Why do you think a lot of people who always end on the top 10 have SC and one out of the top 10 always finish first.
I'm not against turbos but I prefer a SC. I just don't like all the mess tubos leave. A lot of maintance from my point of view. SC can out beat Turbos. It just needs the right set up that's all.
If I had a choice I would go with both if I was racing. Sc with twin turbos-- that's sick.
X charger if you are a daily driver. It's a safe set up.
Built your ford tough!

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Nordy200 · 10-10-2009, 05:36 PM

2 cents worth from a long time car guy, new to the Mustang: IMHO adding FI to any car not specifically designed for it will generally shorten the life of the engine in proportion to how hard you drive it, and when you put FI on a car you have already driven you are much more likely to put yopur foot into on a regular basis until you get tired of the extra power. Which will never happen!
I have installed three S/C kits on different Ford Focus cars and while the high revving Zetec is very different from the lower revving and torquey 4.0 V6, I found long term reliability issues with each car I put an S/C on, specifically losing basically most of the compression over time. Of course it might have something to do with my upping the boost and modding the S/C installations

to the point where I got 235WHP/195TQ out of a 2 liter 4 banger.

rygenstormlocke · 10-10-2009, 07:33 PM

The challenge with getting big power out of the X even with a built block is the fact that it goes out of it's efficiency range, and after the 2.5 pulley, belt slip is pretty bad. But...its still an awesome kit and well established, good build quality, nice power band (lends itself well to road course and drag racing), and good support.

As for the 4.0 motor being forged, its not. The rods are forged, but they are still not the same class as after market forged rods. However, they are pretty f'ing strong none the less, though you can widow a block with them if you throw enough power at them. But the 4.0 has the same **** pistons as the 4.6.

There are 3 cars out there I think aside turbo that cracked 400rwhp on the stock block. Centri cars, Procharged to be specific. Two of them had heads and cams, one had the SSM head/cam package, the other had PH head/cam package. The later was running 12.0 at 118mph...it had 11's written all over it, he just needed a stall and better rubber.

Lastly, I'm not sure what the latest is with SSM, but their cam supplier went under. Not sure if Tom sourced another vendor to do his regrinds or not. Also, with aftermarket cams with the 4.0, if you do go that route, make sure a good shop degree's them properly, its a very difficult task.

As for kits, they are all good, PH, Vortech, ProCharger, and Xcharger. I've been fortunate enough to drive them all on the street and down the 1/4. If you go into it armed with knowledge, all of these kits will serve you well and be very reliable. And yes, on all of them, you can get good mpg...if you stay out of boost. That there...is the problem.

ODDYSEY · 10-10-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rygenstormlocke

And yes, on all of them, you can get good mpg...if you stay out of boost. That there...is the problem.

That is definitely a true statement, I am happy when I get over 15mpg... but I only drive my car for recreation most of the time, and why wouldn't I go all out

06L.L.Pony · 10-12-2009, 11:35 PM

hey guys, im new to this forum thing so please bear with me, lol. im amazed at how awesome your mustangs are with the x-charger and im seriously contemplating getting one more every day. i want to know if i could use the bbk throttle body and some headers and high flow cats with this setup and if i can, which im sure thats not a problem, does b@m@ have a tune for that? its kinda tough for me to get to a dyno cause of where i live, full time work, and im a full time college student. oh by the way, im looking at the hi-po kit from EE.

ODDYSEY · 10-13-2009, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 06L.L.Pony

hey guys, im new to this forum thing so please bear with me, lol. im amazed at how awesome your mustangs are with the x-charger and im seriously contemplating getting one more every day. i want to know if i could use the bbk throttle body and some headers and high flow cats with this setup and if i can, which im sure thats not a problem, does b@m@ have a tune for that? its kinda tough for me to get to a dyno cause of where i live, full time work, and im a full time college student. oh by the way, im looking at the hi-po kit from EE.

High flow cats - Yes
Headers - Yes

BBK Throttle body (not sure) but the BBK throttle body gives no gain, espcially on a FI system.

You will love the x, it is awesome

06L.L.Pony · 10-13-2009, 12:17 AM

yeah i kinda figured that, even AM quotes it as only 10 hp over stock, and for almost 300 bucks, it doesnt seem worth it when ill be getting 100 more horses, but man im stocked. ahhhh, i freakin want it so bad!!!! what issues have you guys had with the pulley and bearings on the SC nose, i know my buddy had some problems with his 91, or something, Superbird that had the M90 on it.

tigercrazy718 · 10-13-2009, 02:21 AM

so zanypunk (and anyone else that knows anything about it)
do you think that sc is better than turbo not only bc of maintenence issues, but also bc of price? is there much of a difference? because i know turbos can get more hp than sc so thats why i originally was thinking going with a turbo but now it seems it might just be more cost effective to go with the sc and maybe throw the extra money at some nitrous lol

rygenstormlocke · 10-13-2009, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 06L.L.Pony

hey guys, im new to this forum thing so please bear with me, lol. im amazed at how awesome your mustangs are with the x-charger and im seriously contemplating getting one more every day. i want to know if i could use the bbk throttle body and some headers and high flow cats with this setup and if i can, which im sure thats not a problem, does b@m@ have a tune for that? its kinda tough for me to get to a dyno cause of where i live, full time work, and im a full time college student. oh by the way, im looking at the hi-po kit from EE.

Not sure on the BBK, but I know the Zaptek TB fits, and its shown to produce better gains than the BBK last time I saw a comparrison.

ODDYSEY · 10-13-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by tigercrazy718

so zanypunk (and anyone else that knows anything about it)
do you think that sc is better than turbo not only bc of maintenence issues, but also bc of price? is there much of a difference? because i know turbos can get more hp than sc so thats why i originally was thinking going with a turbo but now it seems it might just be more cost effective to go with the sc and maybe throw the extra money at some nitrous lol

S/C & Nitrous = Blown Engine.... Just ask some of the other guys

S/C vs Turbo are pretty different for the most part. I went with a S/C because I liked the looks of the roots style, it was a great kit, easy install, and gave me a bunch of torque down low on the rpm's.

You will have to talk to some of the turbo guys/gals on why they went that route.