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Solitear · 08-18-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Biohazard

Sup guys, Ok I will get right down to it. I know NOTHING about cars! I have a V6 05 Mustang (laugh away, lol) and I am deploying for a year and I want to drop 15 to 17K into it perfromance wise and I need help! I google stuff and I dont really get what I am looking at.

If I put what I want to do can anyone lead me in the right direction or tell me that its not worth it or what I asked made no sence...thanks guys!

Engine: Crate engine? Can I get a V8 in my V6 car?
Exaust: Dual? Whats a good brand?
Tranny: Uh, I have a auto, how much if its even posible to get it Manual?
Turbo or Super charger: What are the differences?
Other stuff: My friend said thinks that get more air in gas into the engine are good, what am I looking for?

Umm imo 17k...is quite a bit, could get a used 4.6 3v drop it in with a better tranny but then again thats if u can diy and save money..

Go with a turbo system imo with that v6 and nab some suspention upgrades along with it i guess and enjoy her.

Also can't the v6 hold 450 to the crank (4.0 one)?<.<

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ABQstang89 · 08-18-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Solitear

Umm imo 17k...is quite a bit, could get a used 4.6 3v drop it in with a better tranny but then again thats if u can diy and save money..

Go with a turbo system imo with that v6 and nab some suspention upgrades along with it i guess and enjoy her.

Also can't the v6 hold 450 to the crank (4.0 one)?<.<

400 seems to be the stock limit without adding forged internals from my understanding. The ring on the pistons is a little high and the valves will start to float. With upgraded springs and forged pistons I think the rods are the next to go. Hope that helps a little bit.

157db · 08-18-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Solitear

Umm imo 17k...is quite a bit, could get a used 4.6 3v drop it in with a better tranny but then again thats if u can diy and save money..

Go with a turbo system imo with that v6 and nab some suspention upgrades along with it i guess and enjoy her.

Also can't the v6 hold 450 to the crank (4.0 one)?

And a better rear end and a better suited suspension
for the added weight and HP. HP is no good unless you
can get it to the pavement...

The V6 can handle some mean HP increases but from the
clutch on out, its questionable. The 28 spline axles are
usually the first to let go...

You have the money to buy a GT so why the need to drop a V8 into a V6 chassis when
the GT chassis with a V8 in it is already to go at your local dealership?

Just love to bust knuckles and turn wrenches?
I can think of about 100 other things I would
rather be doing besides trying to stuff a V8 crate
engine into a V6 chassis with V6 shock, V6 struts,
V6 springs, V6 rear end, V6 tranny and the list
of V6 specific parts goes on and on......

One of them being DRIVING a GT V8 Stang....
Not crawling around under a V6 with no motor
in it awaiting the transplant of a V8 crate....

pascal · 08-18-2009, 06:25 PM

Well $17K will get you a used GT for sure...
Sell the sixxer and used that money to supercharge the GT and you'll even have money left over.

kn0x` · 08-18-2009, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GeritGoul

dude..sell your v6 and buy an 03-04 cobra for 15k and youll have all that money left over to upgrade that...and i would be fuggin jealous as hell

terminatorrrr

JCON · 08-18-2009, 07:20 PM

Definitely, the dealership I got my 05 V6 from had one for $17,900. I drove it and fell in love but I didn't have the cash to get it (after losing on a car I bought 2 months prior). I would def recommend trading your V6 in, paying off the GT, and then buying a charger. You'll have enough.

As for FI, our cars have always been built for superchargers, that being said if I had the money I would get a turbo.

For starters I am familiar with turbos.

Second they use already spent energy (your exhaust) to turn a turbine, which then turns the compressor wheel. There is no loss here like with a super charger, which requires horsepower to turn the pulley that then turns the compressor screw. The are more efficient and also give you better gas mileage (as long as you aren't flooring it every time you get a chance)

Third, they make more power on average than super chargers.

Fourth, you can add a boost controller to your system and control your pressure and horsepower. You cannot add a boost controller to a supercharger because the amount of compression they make is determined by the revolutions of the pulley on the belt. Only way to change pressures is to change pulley sizes.

And finally my reason for going turbo over super is that its easier to have twins! I've only seen one car with twin superchargers and it only made 800 HP (comparably speaking to twins making as high as 2000HP but not in our cars)

THe only down side to a turbo is the spool time. Spool time is the required time to get enough exhaust flowing through the turbine side of the turbo and getting it to spin at its maximum output. Superchargers compress and make power instantly (but make less). The X-charger for our cars is nice and makes a great deal more power than not having it. But that $4-5k is the difference between a Mustang V6 and a GT.

This can be handled in several ways:

You can add larger downpipes so that it dumps the exhaust faster in to the turbo(s).

You can run a bi turbo system in which you have a small turbo that requires comparatively less exhaust to start making boost, then one at a certain rpm (and exhaust flow rate) it switches to the larger turbo, producing more boost.

Finally you could add NOS but NOS is a lot like a hott chick with an STD, you wanna hit it, but you don't wanna hit it. All joking aside, low to mid power shots of NOS are fine for our cars.

Recommended route, trade/sell your Mustang and buy a GT then charge it.

Do you plan on going fast in straight lines or do you want to enter real racing and hit a roadcourse or two?

Mr. Ugly · 08-18-2009, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ODDYSEY

If it were me, I would look into the x-charger route because for 15k you could completely deck out your car, Supercharger, looks, and suspension.

Wouldn't even need 15k. 10k would do it if you shop for deals.

If you get a GT, you'd still need to spend 6k for suspension, rims, gears, looks, performance bolt-ons, etc.

Biohazard · 08-18-2009, 10:17 PM

Thanks guys! I want it to not only look and sound good but be fast...I wouldn't mind keeping my engine and just doing the other stuff...how hard would it be to push like 375HP out of this engine and what other things do I need to do to support this? EI, tranny, rear end, ect...

Also I am not doing the work, I will be in Iraq and when I come back my car will be finished, my wife will take it somewhere for me in IN...

07 Stang · 08-19-2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by kn0x`

terminatorrrr

My friend has a 2003 Cobra. It sounds mean and I'm sure it's crazy fast, but I just don't like the previous Mustang styles.
I would rather have a GT500.

ODDYSEY · 08-19-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Biohazard

Thanks guys! I want it to not only look and sound good but be fast...I wouldn't mind keeping my engine and just doing the other stuff...how hard would it be to push like 375HP out of this engine and what other things do I need to do to support this? EI, tranny, rear end, ect...

Also I am not doing the work, I will be in Iraq and when I come back my car will be finished, my wife will take it somewhere for me in IN...

Easy to get 375 out of the engine. X-Charger won't get you there unless you wait for the intercooler to be released.

A vortech will though.

If you have an auto tranny, that will be fine, a manual will need some work. 8.8 rear end and alum. driveshaft, along with suspension (shocks/struts/panhard/lca's etc)