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Old 12-16-2009, 08:38 PM
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Default Degreeing Cams tomorrow- Comp or CMS?

Hey all. I am degreeing my cams tomorrow (Comps currently installed), but have a set of CMS cams on the shelf too. The Comps are custom grind, the CMS are N/A Stage 2.5. This has turned out to be a loooong project. I haven't driven the car since 2004, and I've owned the car since Nov. 1995. Based on my build, I'd like input on which cams I should install for the most power for N/A. My car has the following mods/upgrades:

- Teksid block bored 0.020" over
- Eagle Rods
- JE Pistons: 7cc Dish, Flycut
- Diamond piston rings
- '99 Windsor PI Heads, Ported/Polished, swirl dams shortened
- ModCamponents Billet Adjustable Cam Gears w/Arp bolts
- Every gasket replaced, every sensor on the motor/tranny is new
- All new chain guides, chains, tensioners
- Updated Solid crank gear
- OEM steel trigger wheel
- Team Breed Valve Covers
- Modmax Oversized Pro Stainless valves w/bronze guides
- ARP Fasteners throughout block
- Comp Valve Springs
- MMR Billet Oil Pump
- Federal Mogul Bearings
- Ported/Polished Upper Plenum
- Polished Accufab 70mm Throttle Body
- New Lightning MAF (using stock maf atm until I can figure out CAI solution for larger tube)
- New 24# Injectors
- New 9mm Plug Wires
- PI Intake, Alum Crossover
- Cooling MOD
- Upgraded Aluminum radiator (want Fluidyne)
- Chrome Meziere Electric Water Pump
- Chrome Tuff Stuff 200a Alternator
- 4R70W with hardened input shaft and 3200 rpm stall, JMod, all upgraded internals
- FRPP Shorty Ceramic headers
- Basanni X-Pipe w/cats
- Flowmaster 40's 2-Chamber catback
- FRPP 4.10's
- Detroit TruTrac 31 Spline Diff
- Mosier 31 Spline Axles
- FMS Rear Girdle Cover
- Arp Carrier Studs
- New axle bearings/seals
- Granatelli K-Member, A-Arms, Coil Overs
- Engergy Susp. offset rack bushings
- AGX Struts up front
- Tokico Illumina Shocks in rear
- Eibach Pro Springs in rear
- UPR Upper and Lower Control Arms
- Chrome Strut Tower Brace
- UPR Caster/Camber Plates
- Full length Subframe connectors
- Brembo Cobra R GT front brakes w/slotted rotors
- Cobra rear brakes
- SFI Romac Aluminum (Steel Center) Balancer w/Arp bolt
- SFI JW Flexplate w/Arp fasteners
- Billet Fuel Regulator
- 225LPH In-tank fuel pump
- Canton Road Race pan, w/windage tray
- New Paint (complete color change, car was nearly completely disassembled)
- Ford OEM Euro Taillights with amber turn signals
- Full Autometer Nexus gauges
- 2000 Cobra R Carbon Fiber hood with working vents
- 18x9 / 18x10 Boyd Coddington Smoothie II Polished wheels
- Shaved antenna (have to come up with an internal antenna of some sort)

Static Compression 11.7:1

Custom grind CompCams:
Duration @ .050 Int=234 Exh=234, Gross Lift = .545/.545, 113 lobe sep.
Timing at 108 centerline .050:
Intake open 9* BTDC, close 45* ABDC
Exhaust open 55* BBDC, close 1* ATDC

CMS Stage 2.5 N/A:
Duration @ .050 Int=230 Exh=237, Gross Lift = .571/.567, 109 lobe sep.
Timing at 109 centerline .050:
Intake open 9* BTDC, close 44* ABDC
Exhaust open 47.5* BBDC, close 9.5* ATDC

Given the high compression, which cams do you think will work best? I plan on a dyno tune within a month or so, possibly sooner (SCT dealer here in Pensacola) Any advice would be appreciated!
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Old 12-16-2009, 08:44 PM
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From what i know the CMS cams might be tad better n/a due to the tighter LSA.
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CMS..
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Old 12-17-2009, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by boduke0220
CMS..
Why do you suggest CMS?
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:24 PM
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The guy that started CMS..jim cushman has a ton of experience and plus every car ive seen on the forums and a few at mustang week all ran freaking awesome. and from what ive read he's a good guy to deal with too
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Old 12-17-2009, 03:47 PM
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Don't have a CMS cam YET but Jim is a very good guy to deal with.

They didn't send a head gasket to me and he was very apologetic and polite. Good guy.
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Old 12-17-2009, 04:06 PM
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what would be a good suggestion for a cam im planning on using with a turbo? sorry not tryin to steal the thread but it seemed like a good question to ask while we're on the subject.. anyone?
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Old 12-17-2009, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by boduke0220
The guy that started CMS..jim cushman has a ton of experience and plus every car ive seen on the forums and a few at mustang week all ran freaking awesome. and from what ive read he's a good guy to deal with too
Are the CMS Stage 2.5 N/A cams going to be worth the swap since the OP already has custom ground cams in his car now? I mean would he gain that much HP over what he has now to make it worth it?
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Old 12-17-2009, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Black_GT_02
Don't have a CMS cam YET but Jim is a very good guy to deal with.

They didn't send a head gasket to me and he was very apologetic and polite. Good guy.
so you're gonna buy one CMS cam and run one stock one?

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Are the CMS Stage 2.5 N/A cams going to be worth the swap since the OP already has custom ground cams in his car now? I mean would he gain that much HP over what he has now to make it worth it?

well since hes in mid build and he has the cams on the shelf, yes it would be worth it, not to mention this looks like a full out no corners cut N/A build so yes it is 100% worth it. If the heads are off the car its very easy to swap cams, if he has the knowledge to degree them im sure he will have no problem.
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ohh didnt see that, im not a cam expert but the stage 2.5's look more agressive, how much you will gain, if any, i cant say because i dont know that much about cams.
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