Degreeing Cams tomorrow- Comp or CMS?
#1
Degreeing Cams tomorrow- Comp or CMS?
Hey all. I am degreeing my cams tomorrow (Comps currently installed), but have a set of CMS cams on the shelf too. The Comps are custom grind, the CMS are N/A Stage 2.5. This has turned out to be a loooong project. I haven't driven the car since 2004, and I've owned the car since Nov. 1995. Based on my build, I'd like input on which cams I should install for the most power for N/A. My car has the following mods/upgrades:
- Teksid block bored 0.020" over
- Eagle Rods
- JE Pistons: 7cc Dish, Flycut
- Diamond piston rings
- '99 Windsor PI Heads, Ported/Polished, swirl dams shortened
- ModCamponents Billet Adjustable Cam Gears w/Arp bolts
- Every gasket replaced, every sensor on the motor/tranny is new
- All new chain guides, chains, tensioners
- Updated Solid crank gear
- OEM steel trigger wheel
- Team Breed Valve Covers
- Modmax Oversized Pro Stainless valves w/bronze guides
- ARP Fasteners throughout block
- Comp Valve Springs
- MMR Billet Oil Pump
- Federal Mogul Bearings
- Ported/Polished Upper Plenum
- Polished Accufab 70mm Throttle Body
- New Lightning MAF (using stock maf atm until I can figure out CAI solution for larger tube)
- New 24# Injectors
- New 9mm Plug Wires
- PI Intake, Alum Crossover
- Cooling MOD
- Upgraded Aluminum radiator (want Fluidyne)
- Chrome Meziere Electric Water Pump
- Chrome Tuff Stuff 200a Alternator
- 4R70W with hardened input shaft and 3200 rpm stall, JMod, all upgraded internals
- FRPP Shorty Ceramic headers
- Basanni X-Pipe w/cats
- Flowmaster 40's 2-Chamber catback
- FRPP 4.10's
- Detroit TruTrac 31 Spline Diff
- Mosier 31 Spline Axles
- FMS Rear Girdle Cover
- Arp Carrier Studs
- New axle bearings/seals
- Granatelli K-Member, A-Arms, Coil Overs
- Engergy Susp. offset rack bushings
- AGX Struts up front
- Tokico Illumina Shocks in rear
- Eibach Pro Springs in rear
- UPR Upper and Lower Control Arms
- Chrome Strut Tower Brace
- UPR Caster/Camber Plates
- Full length Subframe connectors
- Brembo Cobra R GT front brakes w/slotted rotors
- Cobra rear brakes
- SFI Romac Aluminum (Steel Center) Balancer w/Arp bolt
- SFI JW Flexplate w/Arp fasteners
- Billet Fuel Regulator
- 225LPH In-tank fuel pump
- Canton Road Race pan, w/windage tray
- New Paint (complete color change, car was nearly completely disassembled)
- Ford OEM Euro Taillights with amber turn signals
- Full Autometer Nexus gauges
- 2000 Cobra R Carbon Fiber hood with working vents
- 18x9 / 18x10 Boyd Coddington Smoothie II Polished wheels
- Shaved antenna (have to come up with an internal antenna of some sort)
Static Compression 11.7:1
Custom grind CompCams:
Duration @ .050 Int=234 Exh=234, Gross Lift = .545/.545, 113 lobe sep.
Timing at 108 centerline .050:
Intake open 9* BTDC, close 45* ABDC
Exhaust open 55* BBDC, close 1* ATDC
CMS Stage 2.5 N/A:
Duration @ .050 Int=230 Exh=237, Gross Lift = .571/.567, 109 lobe sep.
Timing at 109 centerline .050:
Intake open 9* BTDC, close 44* ABDC
Exhaust open 47.5* BBDC, close 9.5* ATDC
Given the high compression, which cams do you think will work best? I plan on a dyno tune within a month or so, possibly sooner (SCT dealer here in Pensacola) Any advice would be appreciated!
- Teksid block bored 0.020" over
- Eagle Rods
- JE Pistons: 7cc Dish, Flycut
- Diamond piston rings
- '99 Windsor PI Heads, Ported/Polished, swirl dams shortened
- ModCamponents Billet Adjustable Cam Gears w/Arp bolts
- Every gasket replaced, every sensor on the motor/tranny is new
- All new chain guides, chains, tensioners
- Updated Solid crank gear
- OEM steel trigger wheel
- Team Breed Valve Covers
- Modmax Oversized Pro Stainless valves w/bronze guides
- ARP Fasteners throughout block
- Comp Valve Springs
- MMR Billet Oil Pump
- Federal Mogul Bearings
- Ported/Polished Upper Plenum
- Polished Accufab 70mm Throttle Body
- New Lightning MAF (using stock maf atm until I can figure out CAI solution for larger tube)
- New 24# Injectors
- New 9mm Plug Wires
- PI Intake, Alum Crossover
- Cooling MOD
- Upgraded Aluminum radiator (want Fluidyne)
- Chrome Meziere Electric Water Pump
- Chrome Tuff Stuff 200a Alternator
- 4R70W with hardened input shaft and 3200 rpm stall, JMod, all upgraded internals
- FRPP Shorty Ceramic headers
- Basanni X-Pipe w/cats
- Flowmaster 40's 2-Chamber catback
- FRPP 4.10's
- Detroit TruTrac 31 Spline Diff
- Mosier 31 Spline Axles
- FMS Rear Girdle Cover
- Arp Carrier Studs
- New axle bearings/seals
- Granatelli K-Member, A-Arms, Coil Overs
- Engergy Susp. offset rack bushings
- AGX Struts up front
- Tokico Illumina Shocks in rear
- Eibach Pro Springs in rear
- UPR Upper and Lower Control Arms
- Chrome Strut Tower Brace
- UPR Caster/Camber Plates
- Full length Subframe connectors
- Brembo Cobra R GT front brakes w/slotted rotors
- Cobra rear brakes
- SFI Romac Aluminum (Steel Center) Balancer w/Arp bolt
- SFI JW Flexplate w/Arp fasteners
- Billet Fuel Regulator
- 225LPH In-tank fuel pump
- Canton Road Race pan, w/windage tray
- New Paint (complete color change, car was nearly completely disassembled)
- Ford OEM Euro Taillights with amber turn signals
- Full Autometer Nexus gauges
- 2000 Cobra R Carbon Fiber hood with working vents
- 18x9 / 18x10 Boyd Coddington Smoothie II Polished wheels
- Shaved antenna (have to come up with an internal antenna of some sort)
Static Compression 11.7:1
Custom grind CompCams:
Duration @ .050 Int=234 Exh=234, Gross Lift = .545/.545, 113 lobe sep.
Timing at 108 centerline .050:
Intake open 9* BTDC, close 45* ABDC
Exhaust open 55* BBDC, close 1* ATDC
CMS Stage 2.5 N/A:
Duration @ .050 Int=230 Exh=237, Gross Lift = .571/.567, 109 lobe sep.
Timing at 109 centerline .050:
Intake open 9* BTDC, close 44* ABDC
Exhaust open 47.5* BBDC, close 9.5* ATDC
Given the high compression, which cams do you think will work best? I plan on a dyno tune within a month or so, possibly sooner (SCT dealer here in Pensacola) Any advice would be appreciated!
#5
The guy that started CMS..jim cushman has a ton of experience and plus every car ive seen on the forums and a few at mustang week all ran freaking awesome. and from what ive read he's a good guy to deal with too
#8
Are the CMS Stage 2.5 N/A cams going to be worth the swap since the OP already has custom ground cams in his car now? I mean would he gain that much HP over what he has now to make it worth it?
#9
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well since hes in mid build and he has the cams on the shelf, yes it would be worth it, not to mention this looks like a full out no corners cut N/A build so yes it is 100% worth it. If the heads are off the car its very easy to swap cams, if he has the knowledge to degree them im sure he will have no problem.