99-04 hood scoop functional?
#31
It's been proven time and time again the shaker doesn't sit high enough to get any ram air / performance gain effect from forcing air in. Bugs will hit your filter due to suction and air flow...has nothing to do with forcing air into the inlet tubing. The only "function" of it is to allow air to get to the filter....same as the fender mounted snorkel all the Mustangs from that generation. Debris gets to the filter via suction/vacuum from the motor, not ram air.
For there to be a performance gain, the scoop needs to sit higher and be enlarged. It also needs to come up with a straight(er) shot into the TB. Without both of those, the Mach 1 shaker is nothing more than a cool looking throw back to the old school Mach 1.
For there to be a performance gain, the scoop needs to sit higher and be enlarged. It also needs to come up with a straight(er) shot into the TB. Without both of those, the Mach 1 shaker is nothing more than a cool looking throw back to the old school Mach 1.
When Cliffy says, "there is no ram air effect," the dead insects .....would argue getting captured by the shaker, and shoved through a convoluted, circuitous route past harmonic standing standing waves only to be simultaneously smashed against the gauze and metal of my C&L air filter and embalmed in a microns thick layer of K&N filter oil certainly qualifies as "ram air effect!" .....
Whether that makes my car any faster is another question.
Whether that makes my car any faster is another question.
My God, man. It's only a scoop. It's not like we're talking about Lambo doors, or Roush body kits, or shorty antennas, or plastic dipped wheels, or 20" chrome made in China wheels....
(Note for the self absorbed pompous reader: That right there was more satire, dummy.)
Last edited by Sonic Mustang; 04-27-2013 at 01:47 PM.
#32
Looks cool as Hell though...
#33
#34
Wow, someone is a little sensative they have a non functional scoop. Name calling? Really? I'm a "dummy"? Are we five?
Anytime you start off by directing the phrase "You are factually inncorrect" towards me, you had better back it up right off the bat. I tried skipping to the next paragraph each time I read something wrong, but everyone starts with something inncorrect. Forgive me for not wasting my time reading the details in rest of your dribble.
As for the other fun little jab you tried to sneak in there about Roush body kits...it solidifies my first impression of you as someone in need of attention to help your self esteem. They are actually real world proven as aerodynamic enhancements that function (much unlike your little plastic bug inlet).
Tell you what, Mr. Sarcasm, you keep your pointless scoop, I'll keep my functional aero and we'll part ways.
#35
Wow, someone is a little sensative they have a non functional scoop. Name calling? Really? I'm a "dummy"? Are we five?
Anytime you start off by directing the phrase "You are factually inncorrect" towards me, you had better back it up right off the bat. I tried skipping to the next paragraph each time I read something wrong, but everyone starts with something inncorrect. Forgive me for not wasting my time reading the details in rest of your dribble.
As for the other fun little jab you tried to sneak in there about Roush body kits...it solidifies my first impression of you as someone in need of attention to help your self esteem. They are actually real world proven as aerodynamic enhancements that function (much unlike your little plastic bug inlet).
Tell you what, Mr. Sarcasm, you keep your pointless scoop, I'll keep my functional aero and we'll part ways.
Anytime you start off by directing the phrase "You are factually inncorrect" towards me, you had better back it up right off the bat. I tried skipping to the next paragraph each time I read something wrong, but everyone starts with something inncorrect. Forgive me for not wasting my time reading the details in rest of your dribble.
As for the other fun little jab you tried to sneak in there about Roush body kits...it solidifies my first impression of you as someone in need of attention to help your self esteem. They are actually real world proven as aerodynamic enhancements that function (much unlike your little plastic bug inlet).
Tell you what, Mr. Sarcasm, you keep your pointless scoop, I'll keep my functional aero and we'll part ways.
"I'll keep my aero?" Ha! Even you don't believe your claims of functional aero.
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Last edited by Sonic Mustang; 04-27-2013 at 03:36 PM.
#36
IMO i love the Old school shaker. It look COOL as hell to me also. The shaker system did not just come on the mustang , but also other ford cars in the 60th, 70th. I bought my car in 02, i did not want a trophy/trailer car Bullitt,Cobra, etc. So, i got a GT to be a DD.When the Mach started using the shaker.I knew the aftermarket would soon follow up on it. I installed the CDC shaker kit on my car.I know it is cosmetic, but as everyone say, it is so cool.
Last edited by 96t-bird; 04-27-2013 at 03:25 PM.
#37
By the way CDC preceded the market. They built the first 2002 mach 1 for Ford to gauge public reaction.
Last edited by Sonic Mustang; 04-27-2013 at 03:33 PM.
#38
Aright enough squabbling people. We get that the shaker is not as "functional" as it should be and we can all agree it does look pretty damn cool just sitting there.
In any case, there is no such thing or benefits to be gained from the "ram air" effect, but there's actual benefit from having more cool air? So with that in mind is there still some sort of benefit from having some sort of functional scoop or anything that can draw in cooler air and is it worth the trouble? Would the gains be minimal that it's not even noticeable? Sorry for the flurry of questions, I'm just trying to understand this a little bit better.
In any case, there is no such thing or benefits to be gained from the "ram air" effect, but there's actual benefit from having more cool air? So with that in mind is there still some sort of benefit from having some sort of functional scoop or anything that can draw in cooler air and is it worth the trouble? Would the gains be minimal that it's not even noticeable? Sorry for the flurry of questions, I'm just trying to understand this a little bit better.
#39
In any case, there is no such thing or benefits to be gained from the "ram air" effect, but there's actual benefit from having more cool air? So with that in mind is there still some sort of benefit from having some sort of functional scoop or anything that can draw in cooler air and is it worth the trouble? Would the gains be minimal that it's not even noticeable? Sorry for the flurry of questions, I'm just trying to understand this a little bit better.
To answer your question, I have driven my Mach 1 with the shaker and inlet removed on several occasions for a total of over 100 miles , most of those at highway speeds. (I have to remove the shaker to refill the engine coolant at the crossover pipe between the heads and then have to go through several heat/cool/top off cycles.) There is no noticeable performance loss with the shaker completely removed from the car. With 20lbs less to carry around, it's probably faster!
Last edited by Sonic Mustang; 04-27-2013 at 03:47 PM.
#40
If Ford engineers spent hundreds of hours and tens of thousands of dollars building a functional ram air shaker system with no benefits except for ducting insects onto the air filter, I'm sure you'll be able to come up with something better. Don't forget to put a couple of CobraJet emblems on it.
To answer your question, I have driven my Mach 1 with the shaker and inlet removed on several occasions for a total of over 100 miles , most of those at highway speeds. (I have to remove the shaker to refill the engine coolant at the crossover pipe between the heads and then have to go through several heat/cool/top off cycles.) There is no noticeable performance loss with the shaker completely removed from the car. With 20lbs less to carry around, it's probably faster!
To answer your question, I have driven my Mach 1 with the shaker and inlet removed on several occasions for a total of over 100 miles , most of those at highway speeds. (I have to remove the shaker to refill the engine coolant at the crossover pipe between the heads and then have to go through several heat/cool/top off cycles.) There is no noticeable performance loss with the shaker completely removed from the car. With 20lbs less to carry around, it's probably faster!