tr3650 shifting problems
#1
tr3650 shifting problems
Hey guys, I search a lot of forums but can't seem to find one specific to my issue.
I have a late 01 GT with a tr3650 trans. The trans, clutch, flywheel, aftermarket quadrant, FW adjuster, and cable are all pretty new (only 12,000 miles). out of no where it has become very difficult the shift in and out of gears. Prior to the issues I could press the clutch and easily put it in any gear I wanted regardless of rpms. Now out of nowhere 1-4 gears are bear to get in and out of. At >2000rpms its not too bad but I still need to wait for the sweet spot so it will fall into gear. However at higher rpms I really have to muscle it out of gear just to up shift then I need to let the rpms drop way down before going to the next gear. I dont have any gear grinding and the shifter does not fall out of gear at all.
The clutch appears to be operating as normal. It grabs just below half way and there's no slip when engaged or drag when depressed.
Id say I drive spirited and occasionally aggressive but I definitely don't beat it. Its taken over 3 years to put on that 12k miles.
Opinions??? Syncros, shift fork??
I have a late 01 GT with a tr3650 trans. The trans, clutch, flywheel, aftermarket quadrant, FW adjuster, and cable are all pretty new (only 12,000 miles). out of no where it has become very difficult the shift in and out of gears. Prior to the issues I could press the clutch and easily put it in any gear I wanted regardless of rpms. Now out of nowhere 1-4 gears are bear to get in and out of. At >2000rpms its not too bad but I still need to wait for the sweet spot so it will fall into gear. However at higher rpms I really have to muscle it out of gear just to up shift then I need to let the rpms drop way down before going to the next gear. I dont have any gear grinding and the shifter does not fall out of gear at all.
The clutch appears to be operating as normal. It grabs just below half way and there's no slip when engaged or drag when depressed.
Id say I drive spirited and occasionally aggressive but I definitely don't beat it. Its taken over 3 years to put on that 12k miles.
Opinions??? Syncros, shift fork??
#3
The car has 53k on it but the trans and clutch have less than 12k. The fluid has not been changed since the trans was installed. As far as fluid type and amount I have no clue. The trans was installed by a ford dealer so I'd assume motorcraft brand.
#4
I would drain the tranny and refill with 3.0 L (3.2 qt) of Mobil 1 ATF. The dealer may have filled the transmission to the original 3.8 L specification, which is wrong per TSB 04-15-6.
Note that 3.0 L is filled so that the oil level is 19 mm (0.75") below the filler hole, I have seen both dealers and "quick-lube" places fill them right up to the hole and thus overfill the 3650...
Note that 3.0 L is filled so that the oil level is 19 mm (0.75") below the filler hole, I have seen both dealers and "quick-lube" places fill them right up to the hole and thus overfill the 3650...
#6
I would drain the tranny and refill with 3.0 L (3.2 qt) of Mobil 1 ATF. The dealer may have filled the transmission to the original 3.8 L specification, which is wrong per TSB 04-15-6.
Note that 3.0 L is filled so that the oil level is 19 mm (0.75") below the filler hole, I have seen both dealers and "quick-lube" places fill them right up to the hole and thus overfill the 3650...
Note that 3.0 L is filled so that the oil level is 19 mm (0.75") below the filler hole, I have seen both dealers and "quick-lube" places fill them right up to the hole and thus overfill the 3650...
Last edited by DRAGUL; 07-20-2013 at 08:30 AM.
#7
That was rather irresponsible of them, but give it a try if you like and let us know when the shifting problems discovered by Ford ruin the synchros. Better yet call Ford and see if they tell you to ignore the TSB; which BTW was reissued for the 2004 models as TSB 04-26-13...
#8
That was rather irresponsible of them, but give it a try if you like and let us know when the shifting problems discovered by Ford ruin the synchros. Better yet call Ford and see if they tell you to ignore the TSB; which BTW was reissued for the 2004 models as TSB 04-26-13...
#9
Yes Tremec did make it, however Ford is responsible for creating service specs for the transmission--and has the direct experience of providing warranty and other service for failed units. When it became obvious thse failures were not just isolated problems you can bet they consulted with Tremec on both the nature of the failures and how to prevent future failures.
This is a quote from a 2007 issue of Transmission Digest:
I suspect that whoever you spoke with at Tremec was not really aware of the situation, or of the TSB...
This is a quote from a 2007 issue of Transmission Digest:
On the 2001-04 models of the 3650 the oil-fill specification was 3.8 liters of Dexron III ATF. The unit was validated using Mobil One synthetic transmission fluid but was changed to Dexron III for a slightly lower viscosity and improved cold-shift performance.
These units had a problem with a “nibble” on the 1-2 shift, particularly when cold. It is not a grind or clash, but a slight glitch on the shift. After much study and research it was found that the oil level was too high in the unit. This caused windage problems, with the excess lube causing the gears to over-synchronize.
This is because when the gear train is submerged in too much oil, the transmission fluid overheats and foams and affects the turning ratio of the gear train, similar to your trying to run on the beach in 2 feet of water. The increased resistance to turning slows the gears prematurely and alters the synchronizer timing, causing shift problems. The oil level was reduced to 3 liters and the problem was resolved."
[emphasis added]
These units had a problem with a “nibble” on the 1-2 shift, particularly when cold. It is not a grind or clash, but a slight glitch on the shift. After much study and research it was found that the oil level was too high in the unit. This caused windage problems, with the excess lube causing the gears to over-synchronize.
This is because when the gear train is submerged in too much oil, the transmission fluid overheats and foams and affects the turning ratio of the gear train, similar to your trying to run on the beach in 2 feet of water. The increased resistance to turning slows the gears prematurely and alters the synchronizer timing, causing shift problems. The oil level was reduced to 3 liters and the problem was resolved."
[emphasis added]
#10
I would have to agree, Technical service bulletins only come out after there have been numerous complaints and repairs logged , they are not general knowledge of a service tech. How ever a diligent technician would have looked to see if there are any TSBs on the Tremec you speak of.
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