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Old 01-09-2007, 04:40 AM   #41
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Thanks for the great info! I wish I had a good shop around Iowa to go to. Anybody know a good tuner around Iowa? Also what didyou run for tire preasure?
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Old 01-09-2007, 06:17 PM   #42
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If you're on stock axles, start at about 13 before the burnout. This should put you at about 14-15 psi after a good burnout and get you a decent 60 ft while still slipping the tires a bit to soften the hit on the stock trans/axles.

If you want it yank the hoops like we did with this white GT, drop em to about 9.5 psi and watch em wad up like the side view posted. This is absolutely brutal on the axles, trans, rear, etc on a stock part car. If you have stock axles, posi, trans, etc, keep this to a minimum as you'll spit parts sooner or later.

On the bright side, you may get a few passes with the hoops up for screensavers!

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Old 01-11-2007, 01:24 PM   #43
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im glad to see i got a chance at 12's in my mustang now.
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Old 01-31-2007, 01:21 AM   #44
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Were the cam's new? What kind were they? How much would it cost to have them installed at a shop?




EDIT: Have you guys had it dyno'd, if so, you have any numbers or videos or anything?
We sell cams new for $625 to the forum junkies. Usually $650 in our shop, but we always try to help. Installation would be $450 from us, you'll also need the head change kit $189 with all the gaskets/seals you will use. Cams will also require a tune which is why I listed the SCT ($379), which will net 260-280 rwhp with the mods listed from what we've tested.

It sure makes these GT's alot of fun when you see a vette or LS1 looking for an easy kill !

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You have a lot of great prices on ebay. They seem better on ebay then here on the forums? A complete head change kit is only $115 at Summit Racing or Jegs. That's for the Ford Kit! $450 for the install. C'mon now, you know you don't remove the whole timing cover and take the heads off for all that? I dunno why you would need any gaskets at all? The valve cover gasket can be re-used with a dab of silicone on the head side and there is a SPECIAL TOOL THAT YOU CAN BUY to change the cams in a 4.6 or 5.4 in less than 2 hours. All that's needed is to remove the valve covers! What's goin on man???? Is there something your tryin to pull on all of us???
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Old 01-31-2007, 01:49 AM   #45
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haha i bet code is pissed considering a bolt on gt with cams and suspension is running faster than his full built high compression, full suspension, caged car. lol
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Old 01-31-2007, 02:06 AM   #46
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haha i bet code is pissed considering a bolt on gt with cams and suspension is running faster than his full built high compression, full suspension, caged car. lol
Try dropping a full second off the time this gt w/ 4000$ of mods personally installed, add the install of a pro for the harder stuff and its probably 6000$. So with that in mind, and if you take out the shortblock for code(code only needed it because he shot a 175? shot of nitrous into his stocker, which blew) thats 3500 off the top. Starting to make sense now? Code is still sitting pretty, trust me.

Codes Suspension/Engine Mods Minus S/b = 10,000ish?
PowerHouse GT Mods + Pro Install on Cams + Gears = 5,500

The first 1.5 seconds taken off the stock gts time of 14.0 is the cheap part
the last 1-1.5 seconds required to get you into the 11's is a lil more expensive

I say 14.0 stock because it is possible, very, especially with a prepped track, and the few free modifications that can be done.
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Old 01-31-2007, 02:56 PM   #48
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I already have half of that stuff. I know what iam doing with my tax returnTime to get me some cams.
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Old 01-31-2007, 04:17 PM   #49
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Old 01-31-2007, 04:26 PM   #50
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haha i bet code is pissed considering a bolt on gt with cams and suspension is running faster than his full built high compression, full suspension, caged car. lol
Try dropping a full second off the time this gt w/ 4000$ of mods personally installed, add the install of a pro for the harder stuff and its probably 6000$. So with that in mind, and if you take out the shortblock for code (code only needed it because he shot a 175? shot of nitrous into his stocker, which blew) thats 3500 off the top. Starting to make sense now? Code is still sitting pretty, trust me.

Codes Suspension/Engine Mods Minus S/b = 10,000ish?
PowerHouse GT Mods + Pro Install on Cams + Gears = 5,500

The first 1.5 seconds taken off the stock gts time of 14.0 is the cheap part
the last 1-1.5 seconds required to get you into the 11's is a lil more expensive

I say 14.0 stock because it is possible, very, especially with a prepped track, and the few free modifications that can be done.
I'm sorry, and its just my opinion, but I just don't buy the car is full weight. Either that, or there are more mods than listed.

Its a 280~ WHP car going 12.4s with a 1.6x 60'....

I have everything on the list plus about 140 WHP (and a little more suspension) and if I run a 12.0 I would crap my pants (even if it is on slicks compared to drag radials).

There is simply NO way my car with a set of slicks and the suspension would ahve anything on my car now on drag radials....

Edit: says the car is on stock manifolds???? Forget 280 WHP, more like 265-270

Edit 2: It says catback... yet the car doesn't have one. Also, the website says it has shorties?
Jealous?........ haha j/k yeah it seems pretty impressive for the mods. Somethin doesnt seem right.
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Were the cam's new? What kind were they? How much would it cost to have them installed at a shop?




EDIT: Have you guys had it dyno'd, if so, you have any numbers or videos or anything?
We sell cams new for $625 to the forum junkies. Usually $650 in our shop, but we always try to help. Installation would be $450 from us, you'll also need the head change kit $189 with all the gaskets/seals you will use. Cams will also require a tune which is why I listed the SCT ($379), which will net 260-280 rwhp with the mods listed from what we've tested.

It sure makes these GT's alot of fun when you see a vette or LS1 looking for an easy kill !

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You have a lot of great prices on ebay. They seem better on ebay then here on the forums? A complete head change kit is only $115 at Summit Racing or Jegs. That's for the Ford Kit! $450 for the install. C'mon now, you know you don't remove the whole timing cover and take the heads off for all that? I dunno why you would need any gaskets at all? The valve cover gasket can be re-used with a dab of silicone on the head side and there is a SPECIAL TOOL THAT YOU CAN BUY to change the cams in a 4.6 or 5.4 in less than 2 hours. All that's needed is to remove the valve covers! What's goin on man???? Is there something your tryin to pull on all of us???

Hold on grasshopper! You CAN'T run stock springs with a Stage II cam that has .575 lift. To properly install the springs without pulling the front cover takes a special tool as well as a timing tool. MOST people don't have these in stock in their tool boxes and IF you did, it would set you back $120 for the OTC tool alone and another chunk for the air compressor and other tool to pull it off, CLEARLY more than the cost of a gasket kit for the front cover and a head change kit.

Secondly, our head change kit comes with a few other gaskets/seal that make the swap a breeze and if installed complete will asure no oil leaks. You can't guarantee that with relying on old gaskets and re-using stuff on a million mile GT.

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Calm Down...we are merely supplying info for the better of all members looking for some guidance in how to get a car to run in the 12's on a budget. I wrote the article to try to help with some of the best research and developement we have made with getting these slightly modded GT to run solid 12's. Sorry if you took that info in a negative manner, but we're not trying to pull oneover on anybody just trying to be complete as possible.

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haha i bet code is pissed considering a bolt on gt with cams and suspension is running faster than his full built high compression, full suspension, caged car. lol
Try dropping a full second off the time this gt w/ 4000$ of mods personally installed, add the install of a pro for the harder stuff and its probably 6000$. So with that in mind, and if you take out the shortblock for code (code only needed it because he shot a 175? shot of nitrous into his stocker, which blew) thats 3500 off the top. Starting to make sense now? Code is still sitting pretty, trust me.

Codes Suspension/Engine Mods Minus S/b = 10,000ish?
PowerHouse GT Mods + Pro Install on Cams + Gears = 5,500

The first 1.5 seconds taken off the stock gts time of 14.0 is the cheap part
the last 1-1.5 seconds required to get you into the 11's is a lil more expensive

I say 14.0 stock because it is possible, very, especially with a prepped track, and the few free modifications that can be done.
I'm sorry, and its just my opinion, but I just don't buy the car is full weight. Either that, or there are more mods than listed.

Its a 280~ WHP car going 12.4s with a 1.6x 60'....

I have everything on the list plus about 140 WHP (and a little more suspension) and if I run a 12.0 I would crap my pants (even if it is on slicks compared to drag radials).

There is simply NO way my car with a set of slicks and the suspension would ahve anything on my car now on drag radials....

Edit: says the car is on stock manifolds???? Forget 280 WHP, more like 265-270

Edit 2: It says catback... yet the car doesn't have one. Also, the website says it has shorties?
Jealous?........ haha j/k yeah it seems pretty impressive for the mods. Somethin doesnt seem right.

Many of you guys focus on rwhp and what mods you have. A driver can make 3-4 tenths alone. If you don't believe the performance, I can pull actual video of the event to prove it. We were there with 2 cars out of 9 invited total for a reason, we know how to make 2v's FLY period. I can make anyone's 2v GT run these numbers with the same mods and a prepped track at sea level with moderate temperatures. There is NO MAGIC in this stuff. Pay attention to the details, it's all in the cams, tune, suspension, and practice with your stang to net these times.

Now if you have the same mods, are at a similar weight, and sea level track and can't duplicate these times, contact us to discuss your combo, track times, and what we can do to get you the 12's in a 2v GT on a budget. IT's not rocket science, but alot of the simple things that most overlook. Suspension is paramount as well as the cams and a tune to drag a GT into the 12's. We added long tubes and shed some more weight to tickle the 11 sec barrier if youread the entire post or check our website for the article.

If I mis-quoted some of the stuff like cat-back, it was to generalize the mods. The car did have short headers, and I believe dumps which shed some weight over the tail pipes. This stuff could have been added and thecarwould still haveturned 12 sec times all day. This is not an argument,I was merely trying to relay infoto those of you whom can use it and to shed some light for those with similar combos looking to get that magic 12 sec timeslip.Don't take offense tothe results.

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Alright, here's a quick question- I'm takin my car to an autocross track in May. Would these suspension mods hurt or help my autocross times? If they do in fact hurt, how could I get around that and still get the 12-second timeslip?And, if that is possible, could I still keep it low-budget? I know plenty when it comes to engines and transmissions, but suspension is DEFINITELY my weak point. A little help?
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Great Info makes me want to run out and get a 2v now!
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Many of you guys focus on rwhp and what mods you have. A driver can make 3-4 tenths alone. If you don't believe the performance, I can pull actual video of the event to prove it. We were there with 2 cars out of 9 invited total for a reason, we know how to make 2v's FLY period. I can make anyone's 2v GT run these numbers with the same mods and a prepped track at sea level with moderate temperatures. There is NO MAGIC in this stuff. Pay attention to the details, it's all in the cams, tune, suspension, and practice with your stang to net these times.

Now if you have the same mods, are at a similar weight, and sea level track and can't duplicate these times, contact us to discuss your combo, track times, and what we can do to get you the 12's in a 2v GT on a budget. IT's not rocket science, but alot of the simple things that most overlook. Suspension is paramount as well as the cams and a tune to drag a GT into the 12's. We added long tubes and shed some more weight to tickle the 11 sec barrier if youread the entire post or check our website for the article.

If I mis-quoted some of the stuff like cat-back, it was to generalize the mods. The car did have short headers, and I believe dumps which shed some weight over the tail pipes. This stuff could have been added and thecarwould still haveturned 12 sec times all day. This is not an argument,I was merely trying to relay infoto those of you whom can use it and to shed some light for those with similar combos looking to get that magic 12 sec timeslip.Don't take offense tothe results.

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Brian, thanks for all your info and advice.

I am keeping mine N/A and your info is giving me some ideas and a clear path for my build up.
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please take a break. I am not saying I am "God Himself" behind the wheel, but I have been racing for years and started at bracket racing in my 50 stang with a 5 speed so I have plenty of experience at getting the most out of a car.

Code's car is making way more power, but at 340+ rwhp and only 1.5 60 ft's there's plenty more to be had in his set up. 1.67 60 ft's out of the white car are pretty decent, hence why it ran the numbers.

Secondly, just so that the rest of the members can get something from this banter back n forth over a mute point, if you shave .10 off your 60 ft, you'll usually see about double that in your 1/4 time. So from a 1.67 to a 1.5 there is a ton of difference in ET.

Thirdly, to address the weight issue, we removed the back seat, the spare, and any other dead weight on the car. The wheels/tires we used are also a dramatic weight savings. (By the way, where did the 3350 lb weight come in? I didn't post that as the weight of the car?)

Lastly, you can't focus on dyno numbers!!!!! How many times do I have to post this?? Dyno's are tuning machines and bragging rights only! You can't compare one dyno to another accurately as each piece of equipment will have it's own variables and numbers. NUMBERS don't make the car fast, drivers and suspension DO! Codes numbers are great for his car, but if he was on stock suspension and tires at full weight, they'd mean NOTHING! You have to look at the dyno as a tool to see improvements and or losses in parts added or tuning. You can't take dyno numbers to the track for ET slips that are fast, you have to drive the car for them.

If you don't believe the numbers or the car's times, have your own opinion, that's your right as a citizen, but don't jack this thread that we are trying to utilize for an outline of how members can learn, modify, and plan their own builds by their own choices. This was only intended to help from a shop standpoint of experience, research and development time, andparts we have tested.
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Alright, here's a quick question- I'm takin my car to an autocross track in May. Would these suspension mods hurt or help my autocross times? If they do in fact hurt, how could I get around that and still get the 12-second timeslip?And, if that is possible, could I still keep it low-budget? I know plenty when it comes to engines and transmissions, but suspension is DEFINITELY my weak point. A little help?
This rear suspension will work for both. I would run and adjustable front strut instead so that you can change settings as needed for track or cones. The only other thing would be the set up on the wheels/tires as skinnies wouldn't work so hot for the twisties! You can also set up the front alignment differently for each.

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