Talk some sense into me!

[H0SS302]

Originally Posted by ripped camel Yeah, and Honda would also charge an insane price! They overprice everything, so that doesn't say much. Plus how do you figure they do things they could never dream of? The new Camaro will be 422hp for a 32k car! That is really good compared to Ford's embarassing 315hp! It's not that American companies can't dream of it, it's that they typically are cheap, which resorts to americans buying foreign cars. Chevy learned this the hard way, which is why they no longer are trying to offer "lackluster cars" as they put it, and are actually making cars, with appropriate power to put down their foreign counterparts. If they dropped the modular 5.0 "cammer" motor they offer through their Ford Racing division, they would destroy all the competition. Why they don't is beyond me! They could easily offer a next level GT (maybe a Mach 1, or Boss again) with that engine for $5k over what a standard GT is. I guarantee they would sell like hotcakes! Resale value would be consistent as well! 1st bold: show me an American made V* that gets OVER 100hp per liter that is NOT FI. 2nd bold: you obviously dont get the fact that Ford doesnt produce motors with high HP for a reason PRICE.. if they did that the car would be in a price range well out of its public appeal. I will never pay more than 35k for a mustang.. anything more and im getting a damn BMW or something..at least it will handle worth a damn and be quick.

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[gec]

Hands down you go with a Nissan if you're gonna buy a new car and dependability is important. I have 2 maxima's, my wife drives the altima, my mother has a 350z conv and my father has a matching 350z roadster.

1st 1998 Maxima - 185k runs awesome - normal brakes, oil, tires -- owned since 35k
2nd 2006 Maxima - 11k - perfect
Altima 2005 - 60k - replaced tires and brakes..owned since new.
Mom 2005 350z Conv. - 22k - no issues
Dad 2006 350z - 13k - no issues

2001 Mustang GT -- 38k ---- Owned for 6 weeks
1. Replaced fuel pump
2. Replaced gromet and filler neck on fuel tank
3. Replaced front and rear brakes
Closing in on needing a clutch.

[Fobra]

370z..... lol not if you have the mod bug.... $$$ piece o crap

[rygi23]

Originally Posted by dsbsurfn

Thanks. That makes me feel alot better.

Yeah, Dr. Rygi at your service. My Mach gave me fits with a few things at the same time, I was ready to burn it. Things got fixed and I wouldn't have any other. Your thread has a buttload of replies...any foreign/domestic themed thread will. Guys joshing back and forth about what they think is better and what not. For one, I think those flashy foreign cars are very nice high quality high performance cars, but there's nothing like a working man's affordable muscle car, especially when it's evident it's given TLC. You git-r-done yet?

[99GTvert]

Originally Posted by gec

Hands down you go with a Nissan if you're gonna buy a new car and dependability is important. I have 2 maxima's, my wife drives the altima, my mother has a 350z conv and my father has a matching 350z roadster.

1st 1998 Maxima - 185k runs awesome - normal brakes, oil, tires -- owned since 35k
2nd 2006 Maxima - 11k - perfect
Altima 2005 - 60k - replaced tires and brakes..owned since new.
Mom 2005 350z Conv. - 22k - no issues
Dad 2006 350z - 13k - no issues

2001 Mustang GT -- 38k ---- Owned for 6 weeks
1. Replaced fuel pump
2. Replaced gromet and filler neck on fuel tank
3. Replaced front and rear brakes
Closing in on needing a clutch.

Was it just the early 350Z's that had an issue with chewing up tires prematurely? I don't remember exactly, but Motor Trend had one as part of their year long testing fleet, and IIRC they mentioned that.

[gec]

Originally Posted by 99GTvert

Was it just the early 350Z's that had an issue with chewing up tires prematurely? I don't remember exactly, but Motor Trend had one as part of their year long testing fleet, and IIRC they mentioned that.

03 & 04 production I believe I remember it being all over the nissan forums when they first came out because the stealerships weren't fixin the problem, but then later on Nissan put out a tsb on it...

[562cobra]

Originally Posted by OzzDOA

I've always liked the Z cars. You also have to respect the fact that Nissan can get 332 HP out of a 3.7 liter sixxer. Makes you wonder why Ford can only muster 315 HP out of a V-8 that is almost a liter larger in displacement.

I respect that very much.

[ripped camel]

Originally Posted by H0SS302

1st bold: show me an American made V* that gets OVER 100hp per liter that is NOT FI.

2nd bold: you obviously dont get the fact that Ford doesnt produce motors with high HP for a reason PRICE.. if they did that the car would be in a price range well out of its public appeal. I will never pay more than 35k for a mustang.. anything more and im getting a damn BMW or something..at least it will handle worth a damn and be quick.

It doesn't matter if it gets more than 100hp per liter. The point is the new camaro will be coming out with 422 hp for the same price as the 370Z. WTF would someone spend the same amount on the Z for, when the Camaro will toss it's salad (if you're strictly speaking of straightline performance)?

Secondly, Of course price is the reason for Ford being arrogant with their underpowered cars. What you obviously don't get is if they mass produce the "cammer 5.0 modular engine" that they sell in their Ford Racing manual it will cost much less for them to produce it. By upping the price of their vehicle by about $5,000 it would offset the cost of dropping in that motor. This would put the price range at the same as the Z and the Camaro, and the Mustang would be the top dog in terms of performance.

Your next argument may be that the cammer costs $15k in the Ford Racing book, and speaking from a business standpoint, that wouldn't be an economically smart decision to drop that motor in the Mustang for only 5k over what current sticker is. What people often overlook is the current 3v GT motor if purchased as a crate motor is 6k+. The cammer 5.0 motor if mass produced wouldn't cost them $15k to make, there is a good amount of profit figured into that figure (just like the 3v crate motor). So if you deducted the savings from mass production, along with the difference in profit from the 3v crate to the 5.0 cammer, you would be at the same number if you upped the price on the GT. So by applying a 5k increase to current sticker, it would offset their cost to produce it, keep the same profit margin they currently have with the 3v, and make customers happy.

Or again they could keep the GT at the current price, add a Boss mustang for 5k more with the cammer motor, and then everyone would be happy. People that aren't only into power could settle for a GT. People that are into power, but don't have the money to spend over $35k for a car could buy the Boss and basically dominate the streets.