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T-Trim Numbers In!!!!! The Good, the Bad, and The Ugly

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Old 05-19-2010, 05:31 PM   #1
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Default T-Trim Numbers In!!!!! The Good, the Bad, and The Ugly

OK. So here is the deal. As you might or might not know, we installed a Vortech V1 T-Trim w/ ebay intercooler and a Draw through system. Well.... Haha, that doesnt work as well as it should. The Blower is just too must for the draw through system, so I need to switch over to a blow-through, which I am in the process of doing already. I will be able to reuse the stock MAF (w/ mafia extender), however, I am going to be buying a MAF harnes and welding it onto the intake pipe of the throttle body. We have to move the blow-off valve to before the MAF so that we are not discharging any metered air. This will create that loud "gush" of air you hear most turbos make. I don't know if I like that at the moment, but oh well.

On a side not, Dan at Pro-Dyno.net is THE MAN. If you are anywhere in our area, YOU HAVE TO TAKE YOUR CAR TO HIM. He is the guru on tuning mustangs, hands down. Haha, he pretty much let me go with a slap on the wrist today to switch to a blow-through system (after 4 runs and lots of tweaking mind you) before he actually charges me ANYTHING. now I will be paying when I get back to the shop for sure, no question on that lol, but it just goes to show you, good service is hard to come by these days, and he is good service. (Pro Dyno's Number is 704.651.3807)

THE PROBLEM, was that this system had too much voltage fluctuation in the maf (current located in the fender well, on the intake side of the supercharger). This voltage fluctuation was caused by the vortech itself, in that it just pulls too much air for it to be on the intake side of the supercharger. That is why we are switching to AFTER the blower, where the air will be easier to read (and the voltage *Crosses fingers* will not fluctuate near as bad)

One thing to add, this voltage fluctuation I am talking about only is only during low RPMS. At WOT, He had it tuned and working, hence, why I can tell you my numbers. The car just isn't as "streetable" as I would like it to be, lol. WOT is fine and tuned.

Here is the video, ill let you get the numbers from it ;-)

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Old 05-19-2010, 05:35 PM   #2
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awesome man. congrats. good luck on the changes too! should be awesome when done.
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Old 05-19-2010, 05:37 PM   #3
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Second! Damn, your car sounds awesome, nice numbers!
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Awesome! Is that still on the stock bottom end?
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Awesome! Is that still on the stock bottom end?
my answer to that is not for long lol. I had no intention or idea I would hit that high...
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I'm almost positive that you can't just change your MAF location and call it a blow through mass air flow sensor... The design is still a draw through setup, its not designed to be in a blow through application. I could be wrong on this, but if that is the case, not sure why people would advertise a MAF as blow through or draw through. As far as the "woosh" sound of a BoV, you will like it, trust me. That was probably 60% of the reason I ended up going blow through vs draw through.
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Nice numbers. Your bottom end will be fine if the tune is good. Mustang or dynojet?
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post the dyno graph if you can.
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I thought you were going blow-thru
You should get an 05+ slot style maf from VMP, it's what i run
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I thought you were going blow-thru
You should get an 05+ slot style maf from VMP, it's what i run
Ditto, they are amazing and virtually unpeggable. In a 3" housing they support up to 650RWHP and if you do start to hit more then that, you just upgrade to 3.5" piping instead.
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thats crazy high for your mods... but then again dynos are diff.
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Ditto, they are amazing and virtually unpeggable. In a 3" housing they support up to 650RWHP and if you do start to hit more then that, you just upgrade to 3.5" piping instead.
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You should race MustangMan00 to see how close the race is... If the numbers are correct (or should I say consistent with other dynojet numbers) you should literally put busses on him.
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He made 288 with the cams which is pretty accurate and it looks like the same place for this dyno. I would say his numbers are "normal."
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He made 288 with the cams which is pretty accurate and it looks like the same place for this dyno. I would say his numbers are "normal."
Only problem I see with the numbers is he essentially picked up 170RWHP on 7-8PSI which means he is getting about 21.3-24.2RWHP per lb of boost... Most people say you get roughly 15RWHP per lb of boost.
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What is the criteria for having to switch to a blow-thru setup?

I have an S strim at 10 psi with an SCT BA3000 draw-thru that runs well. If I put a T trim on I need to switch to blow-thru?
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it's really not crazy high for his mods. The T trim is a great blower, intercooled it is astonnishing, not to mention, the cooler the OP has is huge, most likely very efficient, almost too efficient.

I was running 600+ rwhp on my T-trim with a 3.33" pulley, that's a ton (granted I was on an underdriven Crank pulley so I could run higher RPM).

so yeah, a 3.33" on a stock block is impressive.
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What is the criteria for having to switch to a blow-thru setup?

I have an S strim at 10 psi with an SCT BA3000 draw-thru that runs well. If I put a T trim on I need to switch to blow-thru?
I would think so man. The t-trim is not a baby blower haha, this thing is killer. Just take my numbers for example. Im telling the tuner after each run that I want lower numbers lol, so with him keeping my power down as much as possible, Im still crankin past 450 on a semi-retarted system.

He says that it moves so much air that it just gets too much turbulence from the air-filter side to get a good reading, just too much fluctuation

to the guys doubting numbers:

I assure you this is REAL rwhp we are talking about, lol. I would say that Its pretty efficient, just look how big it is. I dont care what your GF says, SIZE MATTERS :-p (thats a joke btw lol)
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I would think so man. The t-trim is not a baby blower haha, this thing is killer. Just take my numbers for example. Im telling the tuner after each run that I want lower numbers lol, so with him keeping my power down as much as possible, Im still crankin past 450 on a semi-retarted system.

He says that it moves so much air that it just gets too much turbulence from the air-filter side to get a good reading, just too much fluctuation

to the guys doubting numbers:

I assure you this is REAL rwhp we are talking about, lol. I would say that Its pretty efficient, just look how big it is. I dont care what your GF says, SIZE MATTERS :-p (thats a joke btw lol)
We all know that T-Trims are efficient and powerful blowers, I'm just surprised that you are putting down 450+ on 7-8psi. On 10PSI with your cams I could easily see it. I would just really like to see you take it to the 1/8th and/or race MustangMan00... With 457rwhp you should trap around 93mph in the 1/8th.
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