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So does anyone know the details about the champion plugs because I have looked everywhere and I cannnot find anything specific to the design, just that they are "enhanced over OE design". I would really like to know the differences. I mean I get that they are suspose to be one-piece but I still would like to know about how they went about making them one-piece. I think that I read somewhere the the OE plugs just have the shield crimped on, so it would make sense that if the Champions are a machined one-piece that they would be so damn expensive.
The Champions are indeed one peice and more expensive. They (Pep Boy, Advanced Auto, and AutoZone) now have them lsted in their computers for $16.98 each - compared to $10.98 and $11.98 for the Autolite Platinum and Double Platinum. Only Pep Boys could order, but that would have been a weeks wait and my GT is my DD.
Consider yourself lucky. I went to Pep Boys and they could not tell what plugs of ANY BRAND would fit my '08 GT. Time to punt I thought, so I went to the dealership. They also could not tell me what plugs were correct for the '08 GT. Nothing yet in the computer, but PROBABLY the same plugs as the '07, but just an educated guess. They then tried to sell me a set of the Motorcraft SP-462's, which fit the '07 and will probably turn out to be correct for the '08 as well, but at $16.80 each, I chose to seek my fortunes elsewhere.
What a predicament, my new car has less than 300 miles on the clock, and it's covered up in the garage because I'm afraid to drive it until I can pull the f!@#$%^& plugs and install a new set with antisieze because of a design flaw. I've bought seven(7) new Ford vehicles in my lifetime and still own three of them, two of which are 3V's. After today I'm considering trading them all in on a couple of MOPAR's, a place I've never been before, but it couldn't be worse than this Clusterf@#$!
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Apparently Carburetor Cleaner is now specified instead of Aerokroil and the engine
is to be at room temperature (instead of warm).
Havea setof the new Champion plugson order and will use this revised TSB. I only have 11,000 miles on
my '06 so I am hoping plug change will be uneventful.
ORIGINAL: cadillo
They then tried to sell me a set of the Motorcraft SP-462's, which fit the '07 and will probably turn out to be correct for the '08 as well, but at $16.80 each, I chose to seek my fortunes elsewhere.
Advance Auto Parts has the Motorcraft SP-462's for about $7 each. I just bought 8 of them for about $56. I'm not using anything that isn't factory recommended while I'm in warranty.
Apparently Carburetor Cleaner is now specified instead of Aerokroil and the engine
is to be at room temperature (instead of warm).
Havea setof the new Champion plugson order and will use this revised TSB. I only have 11,000 miles on
my '06 so I am hoping plug change will be uneventful.
Probably folks were locking the engine with the other stuff. Carb cleaner goes down easy.
********Another thing worth mentioning is that the TSB is for engines built BEFORE 10-07 which suggests anti seize was used on newer engines*****************
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I feel a lot more comfortable with the instructions in this revised TSB. Wasn't thrilled previously with soaking the plugs
with Aerokroil and taking the change of it possibly screwing up the engine. Carb clean, hey no problem.
I am though uncertain about the required gap. On the sparkplugs.com site, they list an OE gap of .045" for the Autolite plugand .054" for the new Champion plug. I guess I wouldhave thought thata gap for a particular application would be exactly the same for any manufacturer's plug listed for that application.I am assuming this thinking is incorrectand that I should use the listed.054 gap on the Champion plugs.
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ORIGINAL: GidyupGo
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ORIGINAL: Kryten
Looks like there is a revised TSB for plug removal (superseeds TSB 06-15-2):
Apparently Carburetor Cleaner is now specified instead of Aerokroil and the engine
is to be at room temperature (instead of warm).
Havea setof the new Champion plugson order and will use this revised TSB. I only have 11,000 miles on
my '06 so I am hoping plug change will be uneventful.
Probably folks were locking the engine with the other stuff. Carb cleaner goes down easy.
********Another thing worth mentioning is that the TSB is for engines built BEFORE 10-07 which suggests anti seize was used on newer engines*****************
I feel a lot more comfortable with the instructions in this revised TSB. Wasn't thrilled previously with soaking the plugs
with Aerokroil and taking the change of it possibly screwing up the engine. Carb clean, hey no problem.
I am though uncertain about the required gap. On the sparkplugs.com site, they list an OE gap of .045" for the Autolite plugand .054" for the new Champion plug. I guess I wouldhave thought thata gap for a particular application would be exactly the same for any manufacturer's plug listed for that application.I am assuming this thinking is incorrectand that I should use the listed.054 gap on the Champion plugs.
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ORIGINAL: GidyupGo
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ORIGINAL: Kryten
Looks like there is a revised TSB for plug removal (superseeds TSB 06-15-2):
Apparently Carburetor Cleaner is now specified instead of Aerokroil and the engine
is to be at room temperature (instead of warm).
Havea setof the new Champion plugson order and will use this revised TSB. I only have 11,000 miles on
my '06 so I am hoping plug change will be uneventful.
Probably folks were locking the engine with the other stuff. Carb cleaner goes down easy.
********Another thing worth mentioning is that the TSB is for engines built BEFORE 10-07 which suggests anti seize was used on newer engines*****************
Thanks for the info. Be sure and let us know how those Champions work. A lot of us are considering them next plug change. As for gap, I'd use whatever it says in the owners manual, regardless of the brand. Good luck buddy!
I put this in the other thread about changing plugs, but thought I would add it here since this thread is staying on top. Its been my experience at my shop, along with other shops, that Champions do not work well in Fords. I dont have a clue as to why, I mean jeez, its just a plug.But the several times I used Champions, all came back about 2-3 months later with misfires. Found out after that, it is a common occurance. I no longer use Champions in Fords. If this plug does not do that, great. That means we have a better designed replacement plug for our cars. All I know is, they wont be going in my Stang until many others have proven otherwise. Sorry if it seems I am smashing everyones hope over this. I honestly hope they work well.
As far as worrying about hydrolocking using certain penetrants, you can always give the car a turn of the key without plugs installed, and whatever fluid is in the cylinders will come out.
ORIGINAL: SCCAGT
As far as worrying about hydrolocking using certain penetrants, you can always give the car a turn of the key without plugs installed, and whatever fluid is in the cylinders will come out.
I've read that before, but for some reason it scares me. It's safe to do that? How long should I turn the key for? The fluids will come out of the spark plug hole?
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