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Old 05-06-2010, 09:29 PM   #21
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Is this just with the Vortech or does this happen with other superchargers as well? Just wanting to know because I'm in the market and just got an assignment to southwest Illinois and I know it gets cold there.
I'd like to know as well.. gonna keep the vortech for this season and possibly upgrade next year... to a twin screw.
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Old 05-07-2010, 01:31 PM   #22
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And if you live in an area with cold weather and you plan to drive you car in the Winter, you will damage the SC in cold weather.
eg. I live in Canada, i used my 1999 all year round. During one winter we had an extremely cold spell. (-30C, or -22F(or is that -86F), not sure about the conversion from Celcius).
In anycase, i started my car up one COLD morning and all the teeth on the SC shattered. It was replaced under warranty, but they told me that they would not do that again. I think they know have operating temperatures in affect, and won't honor your warranty if you go over them. So i ended up taking the SC out every winter.

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pretty sure it was an externally lubed one, but still a crazy story..
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:26 AM   #23
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don't have the sheet with me, but anything below 25.. I think. The oil is too cold in the unit, when you go to crank it.. it destroys it (from my understanding)
Is the warning for 25 or -25 degrees?
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Dude. Just spend a couple grand on an old honda civic. Baby it, put a little work into it when/if it needs it, and let the mustang hibernate.

Saves you money on gasoline.
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Is the warning for 25 or -25 degrees?
-25, but from what I have read, it's actually cooler than that when they gernade..

about 20 degrees cooler than the actual warning, so -5/-10??


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Dude. Just spend a couple grand on an old honda civic. Baby it, put a little work into it when/if it needs it, and let the mustang hibernate.

Saves you money on gasoline.
I wish I could.. but this year all my money is going towards my final year at the university as well as car payments and books. Already blew money on a new motor and tools. The only way I was able to afford the vortech was the payment plan, 12 months 0% financing, same as cash.. though even thats starting to be a burden lol

If I get rid of it, gonna pay off the loan on it and only be in dept for school.. when I graduate, gonna get me a new blower!





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Good Christ man. You need to take some courses on managing your finances. You blew all your money on a mustang, new motor, tools, and financed a supercharger. And on top of it all you have Alaska winters to deal with.

WTF were you thinking??
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Good Christ man. You need to take some courses on managing your finances. You blew all your money on a mustang, new motor, tools, and financed a supercharger. And on top of it all you have Alaska winters to deal with.

WTF were you thinking??
I didn't expect the motor to gernade on me like that.. that took a big chunk out my funds (about $3,000) , could have been worse.. Ford wanted about $6k for everything maybe more lulz.. no way.

I can afford everything else... for now.
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I drove mine all last winter, but the coldest it gets here is around 0. I just bought a kia forte koup as a daily driver though.
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I drove mine all last winter, but the coldest it gets here is around 0. I just bought a kia forte koup as a daily driver though.
damn.. 0 is a walk in the park lol. It would get so cold up here, my nose hairs would freeze and my hands would crack. Is the forte that new civic looking kia?? those are kinda cool actually lulz
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I wonder what the oil content for the supercharger is?? maybe I can add something to it to make it more durable during the winter and less prone to the cold conditions???
This is the best idea yet. IMO, I would research an oil that could protect the supercharger in the summer and still have an extremely cold pour rate. Something in a 0W-XX maybe, but not sure. You sound like a guy who could use the experts at BITOG!

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I'm really curious how the Amsoil 0W-30 oil would do in the supercharger. It flows WELL in cold weather and still protects like a thin 40 weight when heated to normal operating temperatures. IMO, you would think Vortec would have looked into better lubrication to fix the problem.
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thought about doing that too, but it has to do with the mechanical clearances of the gears being driven at exact start up. Something about the metals changing slightly in size or something like that during very cold weather. Trannies are the same but we don't mash on it right away, the same way the blower spins the belt driven gear as it starts up and stays running. The unit needs to be warmed up good before even starting it.. the same with tvs units. The only unit I heard will be okay are the old school roots type ( m90 or magnacharger)
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I wonder if you could put a clutch or something on it to not spin it until warm up? Or even just put the stock belt/tune back on when its really cold...
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damn.. 0 is a walk in the park lol. It would get so cold up here, my nose hairs would freeze and my hands would crack. Is the forte that new civic looking kia?? those are kinda cool actually lulz
yes, its almost the exact same thing as a civic for a couple grand less lol.
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I wonder if you could put a clutch or something on it to not spin it until warm up? Or even just put the stock belt/tune back on when its really cold...
thought about the belt thing but the damn idlers are in the way...


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yes, its almost the exact same thing as a civic for a couple grand less lol.
those damn fortes are pretty sweet lol

So you drove around when it was 0 degrees out and there were no issues?? thats crazy.. I'd be worried silly about the blower!
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thats crazy.. I'd be worried silly about the blower!
yes, I even left it outside the week we got 30" of snow
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yes, I even left it outside the week we got 30" of snow
damn, thats right up there with our winters! rofl

..so you really drove her out during the entire winter without any issues when it's been down to 0 degrees??

thats crazy.. makes me want to hold onto mine (although uninstall it) and see how low the temps actually get.. I doubt it's ever been -25 for a few decades actually...
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damn, thats right up there with our winters! rofl

..so you really drove her out during the entire winter without any issues when it's been down to 0 degrees??
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yep, not one issue. I did let it start and idle until the temp gauge moved over before taking off.

I do recommend getting blizzaks for it, they are awesome. I would be going up hills that 4x4 suvs were sliding backwards on.
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yep, not one issue. I did let it start and idle until the temp gauge moved over before taking off.

I do recommend getting blizzaks for it, they are awesome. I would be going up hills that 4x4 suvs were sliding backwards on.
damn.. kinda makes me want to gamble and take a chance, leaving it in this winter (O_o)

Blizzaks do look pretty aggressive (threads) I have some Nokian Hakka IIs and they are bad ***!
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damn.. kinda makes me want to gamble and take a chance, leaving it in this winter (O_o)

Blizzaks do look pretty aggressive (threads) I have some Nokian Hakka IIs and they are bad ***!
I would say the big thing would be the oil in the v2s because it has to come from the motor. As long as you dont start up a v3 and floor it, I dont think the oil being a little thicker would hurt it.

As far as the the impeller metal expanding, what do all the factory turbo cars do? They have almost the exact same design, and its not like the exhaust heats them up instantly...

If it is -25, I would worry more about the motor than the supercharger.
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I would say the big thing would be the oil in the v2s because it has to come from the motor. As long as you dont start up a v3 and floor it, I dont think the oil being a little thicker would hurt it.

As far as the the impeller metal expanding, what do all the factory turbo cars do? They have almost the exact same design, and its not like the exhaust heats them up instantly...
That's still very interesting that you drive year round.. I'd actually be saving a ton of money if I were to keep my vortech and intercool it. I just have to worry about December and January, other months get warmer and warmer after.


turbos run on an impeller/compressor design but not like how the superchargers that require a gears that are belt driven.. those gears are the trouble makers when in cold weather, not the blades themselves necessarily, that's what I have been told anyways.. and it does make sense.. then again, they are talking about -25, which is horribly freezing anyways, not just "chilly out" lol

ditto about the -25 comment rofl
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