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stealth_GT 04-28-2010 12:32 PM

vortech winter woes...
 
Anyone here run an externally lubricated Vortech in the winter??

I just installed the Vortech V3 non-intercooled and having buyers remorse. Despite reading the install manual a month in advance and everything else.. the warning I got about winter usage was not until AFTER the install from their little pamphlet. Now, I have to tap into the oil pan and run externally lubed.

My question is, whats the difference between internally and externally lubed?? the oil is going to be just as cold internally or externally lubricated. Sure, it may heat up as the engine warms, but it's still going to be very cold on start up. I can use an engine block/or oil heater over night, but when I am parked at work for 8 hours or whatever, it'll just end up getting very cold again.

Its not the driving that kills the blower.. it's that start up when the oil is cold.

Now what? I'd hate to pull the blower every winter and re-install it every spring.. gonna be a big headache when the intercooler comes around and I have to do all this crap to it...

this sucks.

Does twin screws also have this issue?

cannot afford a beater, and no garage for storage...

what to do?!?!?!!?!?!?!

siberian.mist 04-28-2010 12:38 PM

-engine block heater would help, (extension cord at work)

-youre kind of sol without a heated garage. i just bought a beater to drive in the winter when the vortech and the rest of the parts are hiding from minnesota winters

-some guys have reported driving all winter without any problems on their vortech setups, so im not sure how much of a huge issue it really is

stealth_GT 04-28-2010 12:46 PM

dude.. I am seriously just gonna pull the blower every winter and re-install it every spring. Very easy to do now, just time consuming. Gonna be a pain in the butt when I get that intercooler though...

stealth_GT 04-28-2010 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian.mist (Post 6971025)
-engine block heater would help, (extension cord at work)

-youre kind of sol without a heated garage. i just bought a beater to drive in the winter when the vortech and the rest of the parts are hiding from minnesota winters

-some guys have reported driving all winter without any problems on their vortech setups, so im not sure how much of a huge issue it really is

lol the parking lot at work is about a 1/4 mile and park about half way in between.

I haven't heard of anyone driving with vortechs in the winter, I did not know to research this issue. should have made sure though. It gets freezing cold up here in alaska.. I know I shouldn't be driving the GT during the winter but I have no choice..

stealth_GT 04-28-2010 01:47 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...d=250564229586

problem solved?? get an external oil feed line, attach one of these suckers to the oil pan, add an additional 120v source under the hood, plug it in before parking over night or at work???

VistaGT 04-28-2010 02:15 PM

What's the issue of driving a vortech SL car in the winter? How cold is too cold?

stealth_GT 04-28-2010 02:31 PM

don't have the sheet with me, but anything below 25.. I think. The oil is too cold in the unit, when you go to crank it.. it destroys it (from my understanding)

VistaGT 04-28-2010 04:06 PM

Damn, that's not good...lol

stealth_GT 04-28-2010 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by VistaGT (Post 6971472)
Damn, that's not good...lol

it does suck.. but there is hope!
http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...erlands-2.html

stealth_GT 04-28-2010 07:04 PM

well, I may have to use a 12 v nitrous heater. I'll end up using an extension cord, an possibly an extra battery located in the trunk.. not sure how long it'll last though, having to plug it in every day at work. At home I can just plug it in at my house. I am looking for one that can sit directly on the blower unit and not have to modify. The problem with some is that it might mess up the electronic connections around it. Better yet, I might just yank it for the winter.. this is ridiculous.. I wish I had some sort of warning before hand...

stealth_GT 04-28-2010 08:51 PM

I wonder what the oil content for the supercharger is?? maybe I can add something to it to make it more durable during the winter and less prone to the cold conditions???

Blacksmoke 04-30-2010 09:44 AM

That is B.S.
They should have made that info VERY clear before you purchased it if you ask me.

Then again if they did they might cut their sales down a crap load.

You would figure they would come out with some sort of kit or something for this issue themselves though.
Not doing that is just flat out lazy if you ask me.

stealth_GT 04-30-2010 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blacksmoke (Post 6974778)
That is B.S.
They should have made that info VERY clear before you purchased it if you ask me.

Then again if they did they might cut their sales down a crap load.

You would figure they would come out with some sort of kit or something for this issue themselves though.
Not doing that is just flat out lazy if you ask me.

Thats true. I read the install cover to cover for MONTHS before purchasing it, and only until I installed the kit and cleaning out the box did I notice the little envelope for the warranty and warning/maintence packet at the bottom of the huge box. If I had known about this issue, I would have went with the E-Force or supershaker.

From what I gathered, this kit should be okay because its self lubricated and not the externally lubed one. I almost went a step backwards thinking that if I converted it to externally lube and use an oil pan warmer would fix it.. not! Its because during cold weather, the oil is too thick and not flowing to the supercharger unit (external lubed,oil tap w/line) and on start up, theres no oil= boom!

Since mine already has oil in it, it should be okay. negative 25 is pretty friggin' cold anyways.. hasn't been that cold since the mid 90s up here, getting warmer actually. -10 is the coldest it's been...

OSUTX440 05-03-2010 02:33 PM

Ok, I live in Ohio, gets pretty cold in the winter, I had "0" problems with my V3 all winter. Now, I will say that when I have started it up when it was cold out, I let it run for a few before going. And lastly, I was rarely in boost, if you take it easy on the motor, the motor will take care of you.

I can't possibly imagine taking the S/C on and off every spring/fall....god that would suck.

stealth_GT 05-03-2010 03:19 PM

lol the winter is the last of my worries at this point lol

:D

Good to hear it's not an issue in the cold though..

REDBOSS1 05-03-2010 07:21 PM

Is this just with the Vortech or does this happen with other superchargers as well? Just wanting to know because I'm in the market and just got an assignment to southwest Illinois and I know it gets cold there.

tx_zstang 05-04-2010 10:43 AM

How cold does it get where you are?
The issue with cold has more to do with mechanical clearances and less with the oil itself.

I never had any issues in the winter, but then again, it doesn't get that cold in this part of Texas in the winter.

stealth_GT 05-04-2010 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tx_zstang (Post 6982395)
How cold does it get where you are?
The issue with cold has more to do with mechanical clearances and less with the oil itself.

I never had any issues in the winter, but then again, it doesn't get that cold in this part of Texas in the winter.

negative 10 up here in alaska..

tx_zstang 05-04-2010 11:26 PM

Yikes. How about a small heater for the vortech unit itself?

stealth_GT 05-05-2010 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tx_zstang (Post 6984142)
Yikes. How about a small heater for the vortech unit itself?

ah fawk.. whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhyyyyy??!!


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