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wetwille3 12-03-2011 06:00 PM

Intake Manifold?
 
Does anyone have an intake manifold? Maybe like this
http://www.americanmuscle.com/ford-r...-manifold.html
Also with a TB? Anyone have this setup? Hows installation and what about the gains? And do these work with any intake, I have a Steeda. Thanks.

BlackGT45th 12-03-2011 06:31 PM

I curious as well. From what I hear the installation is pretty straight forward. In some reviews on AM.com there were people complaining about it flexing but Ford says it is normal and to be expected. Hopefully someone thats tried it can swoop in here because if its worth it I'm considering doing it when I get cams in the future.

stealth_GT 12-03-2011 07:17 PM

I have been told that if you have a good set of delete plates, they run just as good with these manifolds...

JCON 12-03-2011 08:47 PM

Don't know the exact gains but save the money ($94.99 to be exact) from getting the FRPP manifold and the Steeda Charge Motion Delete Plates and get this manifold:
http://www.americanmuscle.com/cnl-manifold-0509gt.html

It has longer intake runners that replace the charge motion (or delete) plates. It's also aluminum and will not flex at all.

Also, if you were ever to go with forced induction that does not replace the manifold, this will give you a larger opening for a mono-blade throttle-body.

BlackGT45th 12-03-2011 10:09 PM

Aren't delete plates only available for 05-08? Would the C&L still be a better alternative for the 09-10(OP and I are in this category) then the frpp intake for N/A applications even though we can't do delete plates or would it be better for both N/A and S/C regardless? Sorry I don't mean to hyjack the thread but.. well it seems I already have..

JCON 12-03-2011 11:36 PM

The c&l would be better for forced induction, again, especially if you get a larger mono blade throttle body. As for the plate delete, I havent looked at an 08+ engine. Do they just have blank plates in there or does the manifold sit lower or is it different in some way than an 05? My guess would be there it just has blank plates from the factory.

BlackGT45th 12-04-2011 12:04 AM

After a search, Ford molded the plates into the factory intake manifold for 09-10. So by changing the intake manifold we will essentially get "free" delete plates and if a C&L manifold is a better option with delete plates then the frpp intake is with the delete plates on an 05-08 I suppose the few extra bucks for the C&L is well worth it if the gains are a bit higher. Thanks JCON for the C&L info, I think I know what I'll be doing now.

wetwille3 12-04-2011 12:47 AM

Im also trying not to void warranty..my parents bought me the car and are very strict. So i have to be able to return to stock somewhat easy. The c&l could pose a problem there, although i do like the information you've said..

BlackGT45th 12-04-2011 01:02 AM

From what I've read on the forums the dealer can't deny warranty coverage unless the problem can be directly attributed to an aftermarket part, and I also read that if the dealer does the install and something goes wrong the dealer is required to honor the warranty don't know if it applies to just Ford or frpp equipment though. Not 100% sure about the dealer install part but I know they have to prove the aftermarket part caused the problem to void warranty.

JCON 12-04-2011 08:16 AM

The opening on the c&l is much larger than the FRPP and would match up well with this throttlebody: http://www.whipplesuperchargers.com/...sp?ProdID=1237

I would imagine excellent gains based on their 30-60hp for GT's and 100hp for the GT500. Opening up the actual inlet will get more flow.

SpartaPerformance 12-04-2011 12:24 PM

For that manifold to make any power you need some high lift camshafts and to run the motor at 7,000 RPM for peak power N/A I don't recommend it at all. However if you have a turbo or centrifugal style charger then it can make some nice horsepower across the entire rpm range.

wetwille3 12-04-2011 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackGT45th (Post 7766503)
From what I've read on the forums the dealer can't deny warranty coverage unless the problem can be directly attributed to an aftermarket part, and I also read that if the dealer does the install and something goes wrong the dealer is required to honor the warranty don't know if it applies to just Ford or frpp equipment though. Not 100% sure about the dealer install part but I know they have to prove the aftermarket part caused the problem to void warranty.

Ive talked to the dealership multiple times, and personally know the main mechanic. He says what every aftermarket mod i put on, i must take off before coming back. So i can't get LTs, cams...Thats why I'm looking into this for a title hp gain

BlackGT45th 12-04-2011 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wetwille3 (Post 7766797)
Ive talked to the dealership multiple times, and personally know the main mechanic. He says what every aftermarket mod i put on, i must take off before coming back. So i can't get LTs, cams...Thats why I'm looking into this for a title hp gain

I think theres more than a few MFers that would take issue with that dealership. Due to the passing of the Magnuson-Moss Act of 1975 a dealership can not deny warranty coverage unless said aftermarket part is the source of the problem. If the aftermarket part is made by and installed by the warrantor the warranty then covers it even if it is the source of the problem. If you use the Frpp manifold its covered and cams would be too if they are the Frpp Hotrods because Ford manufactures them. Any other aftermarket part wont affect coverage unless its the cause of the damage.

wetwille3 12-04-2011 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackGT45th (Post 7766840)
I think theres more than a few MFers that would take issue with that dealership. Due to the passing of the Magnuson-Moss Act of 1975 a dealership can not deny warranty coverage unless said aftermarket part is the source of the problem. If the aftermarket part is made by and installed by the warrantor the warranty then covers it even if it is the source of the problem. If you use the Frpp manifold its covered and cams would be too if they are the Frpp Hotrods because Ford manufactures them. Any other aftermarket part wont affect coverage unless its the cause of the damage.

Thats what I thought exactly, but after talking to the mechanic he said any aftermarket part on the car will automatically void the warranty. He said take the car back to stock completely before coming in, because if there is an aftermarket part it will go on record, thus voiding my warranty for the future.

JCON 12-04-2011 03:24 PM

That mechanic is wrong. It may be their policy that they say that but they can't deny you coverage unless again, it is the exact cause of the damage. Exhaust components also do not void warranties, LT's are fine.

wetwille3 12-04-2011 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JCON (Post 7766892)
That mechanic is wrong. It may be their policy that they say that but they can't deny you coverage unless again, it is the exact cause of the damage. Exhaust components also do not void warranties, LT's are fine.

I was wanting LTs and he said my corsa X pipe and axle back will not void warranty, but LTs will.
Also if there is damage they will find a way to blame it on the aftermarket part.

BlackGT45th 12-04-2011 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JCON (Post 7766892)
That mechanic is wrong. It may be their policy that they say that but they can't deny you coverage unless again, it is the exact cause of the damage. Exhaust components also do not void warranties, LT's are fine.

+1 I think it may just be their policy. Unfortunately for them their policy is against the law.

JCON 12-04-2011 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by wetwille3 (Post 7766896)
I was wanting LTs and he said my corsa X pipe and axle back will not void warranty, but LTs will.
Also if there is damage they will find a way to blame it on the aftermarket part.

Make sure you get a good installer. There are plenty of reputable speed shops in Texas. Make sure you check around and ask if they have installed long tube headers on an S197. If they say, " yeah we can do that" go find another shop who will say, "yes we have."

I would print out a copy of the above act, take it to the service manager and ask him what he thinks of it. Before he tells you he's not reading it tell him its law now... and then find another dealership, because they will probably be in no hurry to help you now.

As for the damage, they have to prove its related, other than just saying it is. You do not have the burden of proof.

wetwille3 12-04-2011 03:46 PM

it may be their policy. I guess ill go talk to them again and try to straighten it out. I initially wanted LTs but couldn't due to this.

DPHC13 01-14-2012 09:53 AM

if you have a problem with your front sway bar and the dealer denies your warrantee because you have a cold air intake I would say you have a case. But, fighting with a dealer EVEN when you right is a pain in the ass. If it were me I would stick with simple mods that you can remove. You might be in the right when it comes to warrantee work but that doesn't mean that they aren't going to give you a fight. Just my .02


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