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Old 04-05-2012, 03:42 PM   #1
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Default s197 Transmission Cooler?

So I've read a good amount of info about people putting trans coolers on their sn95 and older mustangs but have not heard really of anyone doing this to an s197. Do the auto s197's come with one???? My trans gets hot (can feel it in the center console) after longer drives. rougher downshifts too. Car has 4.10's and Bama 93 race. AM offers a cooler but just wondering if anyone has any thoughts. Thanks!
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Here is the link to the one I was talking about.

http://www.americanmuscle.com/mishim...ns-cooler.html
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The auto S197s do not come with them from the factory. They would be a good idea if you're running the car rough or racing it but day to day around town driving, they're not really necessary.
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The auto S197s do not come with them from the factory. They would be a good idea if you're running the car rough or racing it but day to day around town driving, they're not really necessary.
Uh, to put it bluntly, you're full of crap.
Auto cars come with a very nice front-mounted trans cooler, located between the a/c condenser and radiator. A secondary cooler can be added for autocross, but for street driving, the one is quite sufficient.
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Uh, to put it bluntly, you're full of crap.
Auto cars come with a very nice front-mounted trans cooler, located between the a/c condenser and radiator. A secondary cooler can be added for autocross, but for street driving, the one is quite sufficient.

I thought they did, but I havent heard much about it and as you can see theres mixed opinions.

So I wonder why my trans starts getting hot on longer trips, say more than 100 miles. Center where the shifter is is noticeably alot warmer and the 2 to 1 downshift clunks
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I thought they did, but I havent heard much about it and as you can see theres mixed opinions.

So I wonder why my trans starts getting hot on longer trips, say more than 100 miles. Center where the shifter is is noticeably alot warmer and the 2 to 1 downshift clunks
Exactly why are you dropping into 1st?
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There are parts that are constantly moving in the trans. Rub your hands together quickly for an hour... Same thing
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Exactly why are you dropping into 1st?
Heel-toe practice, maybe? I do it all the time...

However, I wouldn't be cruising around in 1st.
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Exactly why are you dropping into 1st?

After traveling on the highway. When I slow down and the auto drops into 1. Like at a light.
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So I feel no one really knows and no one has any recommendations. Has this happened to anyone?

I guess I'll have to check myself when I take it out of storage next week. I just haven't found any info on line and two people here say two totally diff things
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That's not normal. Call a transmission shop and get their input.
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First thing you need to do is make sure your full of fluid. They do lose fluid and without a dipstick you cannot tell if its low.
I drag race my car every month and it stays below 180 even hot lapping it. That cooler is cheap so for $89 it might be a decent mod.
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808 you mean coolant?

Our transmissions are sealed, if he's losing fluid, he's def got a problem.
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No I mean trans oil. While they are sealed you can and do lose fluid. When the trans oil gets hot it will vent into the bell housing. My car did this so I installed a trans catch can to collect the fluid. Its a must have if you have a blower and or race your car.

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I learn something new all the time. I don't track my car, yet. Plan to get involved with a local autoX club. Is this only an issue with the 5R55?
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No I mean trans oil. While they are sealed you can and do lose fluid. When the trans oil gets hot it will vent into the bell housing. My car did this so I installed a trans catch can to collect the fluid. Its a must have if you have a blower and or race your car.

http://www.teamjdm.com/automatic-5r5...catch-can-kit/

So those times my tranny was extra hot it could have been venting into the bell housing and then leaking onto the road and I would have never known? When this happened to you did you notice the center console extra warm and were some downshifts clunky?

Also do you know of there is a stock trans cooler?
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From Mishimoto website on performance radiator:

This item is for Manual Transmission vehicles. For automatic applications, please purchase optional Mishimoto transmission cooler (P/N: MMTC-U)

leads me to believe the autos come with a trans cooler built in.
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So those times my tranny was extra hot it could have been venting into the bell housing and then leaking onto the road and I would have never known? When this happened to you did you notice the center console extra warm and were some downshifts clunky?

Also do you know of there is a stock trans cooler?
That is correct you could have been venting fluid and yes we have a stock trans cooler. First thing you should do is check your fluid level. There is a DIY on how to check it. You do need an adapter to be able to do this. Not having a dipstick is quite the double edge screw job. Checking the fluid the ford way is a PITA and easy to get wrong. Installing an aftermarket pan and dipstick makes checking and adding fluid a simple job. Performance Automatic makes a deep pan and a stock pan with dipsticks. Because I race so much it was a must have item.

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Alright thanks for that info. I'll find the DIY and go from there.

808 you seem to push that 5r55 hard. No issues with it?
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Auto's come with a trans cooler built in. I know because I ordered a trans cooler when I was replacing my wounded stock transmission. When my mechanic went under the car to install it, he came across the stock cooler, wedged between the radiator, and A/C condenser. Funny thing is, it's actually bigger than the mishimoto unit. I just let him keep the mishimoto cooler for himself for any future project he came across.

I honestly didn't know the thing existed. Kind of deceptive marketing by americanmuscle putting that trans cooler in the 05-09 mustang catalog...
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