Any S197 3V's with 600 -800hp DD?
06-25-2014, 04:34 AM
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My street pump gas tune is 600rwhp. I could run maybe 650 safely but why? When you get up into the 550-600 rwhp range it really isn't as fun to drive as something around 500.
I have twin turbos, an auto and an extremely good tune, so it's a lot easier to DD then for someone with a manual and a PD blower. I can drive it almost like stock but I have to be very careful with throttle application in the lower gears. If I get into much boost, in the lower gears, it just blows the tires off, even with drag radials on the rear.
As Mike said in his post, you have to really be in control all the time. You can end up sideways, or in a ditch, in an instant. If you have never driven an high HP car on the street, you really need to think about where you want your build to end up.
I have twin turbos, an auto and an extremely good tune, so it's a lot easier to DD then for someone with a manual and a PD blower. I can drive it almost like stock but I have to be very careful with throttle application in the lower gears. If I get into much boost, in the lower gears, it just blows the tires off, even with drag radials on the rear.
As Mike said in his post, you have to really be in control all the time. You can end up sideways, or in a ditch, in an instant. If you have never driven an high HP car on the street, you really need to think about where you want your build to end up.
06-25-2014, 07:56 PM
#12
I have one of those 3V's in the power range you're asking about, with a Kenne Bell 2.6L Stage 2, running 18 psi of boost. (I estimate engine power being around 725-750, with mild losses through a non-locked automatic, dyno'd at 600 at the wheels on 93 octane pump gas only.)
The engine is a custom forged build to handle the power, and transmission and driveshaft to support it as well, through a GT500 rear end.
It isn't technically a daily driver, but I have driven it to work and do drive it on the street for fun and on weekends (I no longer daily drive it because of all the other idiot drivers out there!). It is 100% street legal, and mean at the drag strip!
As mentioned, it takes a LOT of supporting modifications to support that kind of power.
And if you have never driven a 500+ hp car on the street, it all depends how well it is tuned. Some people have 'touchy pedal' issues, but mine drives very well.
And when you "get on it", you better have some good tires, and have that "butt-clench" going on, because things happen really fast, and you must stay in control. You can be going 30 mph and hit it and in a few seconds be easily flying past 100. Fun Fun Fun!!!
The engine is a custom forged build to handle the power, and transmission and driveshaft to support it as well, through a GT500 rear end.
It isn't technically a daily driver, but I have driven it to work and do drive it on the street for fun and on weekends (I no longer daily drive it because of all the other idiot drivers out there!). It is 100% street legal, and mean at the drag strip!
As mentioned, it takes a LOT of supporting modifications to support that kind of power.
And if you have never driven a 500+ hp car on the street, it all depends how well it is tuned. Some people have 'touchy pedal' issues, but mine drives very well.
And when you "get on it", you better have some good tires, and have that "butt-clench" going on, because things happen really fast, and you must stay in control. You can be going 30 mph and hit it and in a few seconds be easily flying past 100. Fun Fun Fun!!!
I was also looking into this: with 4.10s: http://www.brenspeed.com/bren8-8package.html
Bottom line is cost savings vs benefit analysis, wearability and of course, legal at the strip... Thanks ahead of time for input
06-25-2014, 08:35 PM
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Im a little north of 500 about 525 and its drives great on the stock tranny. Im gonna leave it where its at but I may have them tweak the tune a bit to get 10 sec1/4. I have added some weight to my car. Sound deadeingin added a lot. my best run is 11.2 so far. I have always been under the impression once you get passed 550 they are not that fun to drive on the street any more. But im sure that's all in ones opinion. Id like to swap out the tranny but I don't think I will unless my tranny takes a dump which im not expecting it too.
07-10-2014, 02:03 AM
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Im a little north of 500 about 525 and its drives great on the stock tranny. Im gonna leave it where its at but I may have them tweak the tune a bit to get 10 sec1/4. I have added some weight to my car. Sound deadeingin added a lot. my best run is 11.2 so far. I have always been under the impression once you get passed 550 they are not that fun to drive on the street any more. But im sure that's all in ones opinion. Id like to swap out the tranny but I don't think I will unless my tranny takes a dump which im not expecting it too.
diazrael, the GT500 rear end I have I picked up locally from a private seller; just happened to be an 8.8 and i was looking for one at the time.
08-01-2014, 08:09 AM
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Im a little north of 500 about 525 and its drives great on the stock tranny. Im gonna leave it where its at but I may have them tweak the tune a bit to get 10 sec1/4. I have added some weight to my car. Sound deadeingin added a lot. my best run is 11.2 so far. I have always been under the impression once you get passed 550 they are not that fun to drive on the street any more. But im sure that's all in ones opinion. Id like to swap out the tranny but I don't think I will unless my tranny takes a dump which im not expecting it too.
I drive DRs everyday and everything works great. I could probably add cams, long tubes and a few psi and make 600 rwhp. BUt I'm happy where I'm at. Only thing I would really like to change is the tranny.
08-02-2014, 09:51 PM
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This is where I am at. Stock displacement, cams and mostly stock exhaust. 15 psi @540 rwhp. Stock tranny and driveshaft. Axles are original.
I drive DRs everyday and everything works great. I could probably add cams, long tubes and a few psi and make 600 rwhp. BUt I'm happy where I'm at. Only thing I would really like to change is the tranny.
I drive DRs everyday and everything works great. I could probably add cams, long tubes and a few psi and make 600 rwhp. BUt I'm happy where I'm at. Only thing I would really like to change is the tranny.
Nice car ap
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