turbo power
03-17-2008, 02:32 PM
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turbo power
ok, so i did some research, and it looks like a TT setup will not be good for the 2.3l (reliability issues). and i was wondering what does it take to get a 10.5 1/4. my final goal is to have about 650rwhp. i have no idea how to get there, and no im not going to waste my time looking at turbo ford when i have the wealth of knowledge here, and plus i like y'all better.
so here are some questions i need answered
1)what size turbo am i going to need
2)ball bearing turbo?
3)what is hot side/ cold side
4) do they make an after market head?
5) what kind of cam will i need
7)will i get 25mpg on the highway out of this?
thanks,
so here are some questions i need answered
1)what size turbo am i going to need
2)ball bearing turbo?
3)what is hot side/ cold side
4) do they make an after market head?
5) what kind of cam will i need
7)will i get 25mpg on the highway out of this?
thanks,
03-17-2008, 07:34 PM
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RE: turbo power
ORIGINAL: USMCrebel
ok, so i did some research, and it looks like a TT setup will not be good for the 2.3l (reliability issues). No, tuning issues and i was wondering what does it take to get a 10.5 1/4 It will take either boost or tuning. my final goal is to have about 650rwhp Good luck without custom parts.... i have no idea how to get there, and no im not going to waste my time looking at turbo ford when i have the wealth of knowledge here, and plus i like y'all better.
so here are some questions i need answered
1)what size turbo am i going to need
A. How much boost do you wanna run? project bolt on is in the 10s and has a holset HX 35 @ 28 PSI
2)ball bearing turbo?
A. HX35 is I believe or buy a SC50
3)what is hot side/ cold side
A. Unsure
4) do they make an after market head?
A. Yes, esslinger does, but for less than that price you can ship a head to bo-port and get a stage 4 port job and it will outflow all but a ported ARCA and ported SVO head. folvo conversion also is good
5) what kind of cam will i need
A. I hear good thinks on stage 1, 2, and 3 bo-port cams, had to get and not the cheapest, but very good
7)will i get 25mpg on the highway out of this?
A. Umm... With a J3 chip you can change what your closed and open loop, A/F ratio, and your boosted A/F ratio. Caroth (sp?) is very good with tuning so PM or e-mail him
thanks,
ok, so i did some research, and it looks like a TT setup will not be good for the 2.3l (reliability issues). No, tuning issues and i was wondering what does it take to get a 10.5 1/4 It will take either boost or tuning. my final goal is to have about 650rwhp Good luck without custom parts.... i have no idea how to get there, and no im not going to waste my time looking at turbo ford when i have the wealth of knowledge here, and plus i like y'all better.
so here are some questions i need answered
1)what size turbo am i going to need
A. How much boost do you wanna run? project bolt on is in the 10s and has a holset HX 35 @ 28 PSI
2)ball bearing turbo?
A. HX35 is I believe or buy a SC50
3)what is hot side/ cold side
A. Unsure
4) do they make an after market head?
A. Yes, esslinger does, but for less than that price you can ship a head to bo-port and get a stage 4 port job and it will outflow all but a ported ARCA and ported SVO head. folvo conversion also is good
5) what kind of cam will i need
A. I hear good thinks on stage 1, 2, and 3 bo-port cams, had to get and not the cheapest, but very good
7)will i get 25mpg on the highway out of this?
A. Umm... With a J3 chip you can change what your closed and open loop, A/F ratio, and your boosted A/F ratio. Caroth (sp?) is very good with tuning so PM or e-mail him
thanks,
03-17-2008, 10:18 PM
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RE: turbo power
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ORIGINAL: USMCrebel
ok, so i did some research, and it looks like a TT setup will not be good for the 2.3l (reliability issues). No, tuning issues and i was wondering what does it take to get a 10.5 1/4 It will take either boost or tuning. my final goal is to have about 650rwhp Good luck without custom parts.... i have no idea how to get there, and no im not going to waste my time looking at turbo ford when i have the wealth of knowledge here, and plus i like y'all better.
so here are some questions i need answered
1)what size turbo am i going to need
A. How much boost do you wanna run? project bolt on is in the 10s and has a holset HX 35 @ 28 PSI
2)ball bearing turbo?
A. HX35 is I believe or buy a SC50
3)what is hot side/ cold side
A. Unsure
4) do they make an after market head?
A. Yes, esslinger does, but for less than that price you can ship a head to bo-port and get a stage 4 port job and it will outflow all but a ported ARCA and ported SVO head. folvo conversion also is good
5) what kind of cam will i need
A. I hear good thinks on stage 1, 2, and 3 bo-port cams, had to get and not the cheapest, but very good
7)will i get 25mpg on the highway out of this?
A. Umm... With a J3 chip you can change what your closed and open loop, A/F ratio, and your boosted A/F ratio. Caroth (sp?) is very good with tuning so PM or e-mail him
thanks,
ok, so i did some research, and it looks like a TT setup will not be good for the 2.3l (reliability issues). No, tuning issues and i was wondering what does it take to get a 10.5 1/4 It will take either boost or tuning. my final goal is to have about 650rwhp Good luck without custom parts.... i have no idea how to get there, and no im not going to waste my time looking at turbo ford when i have the wealth of knowledge here, and plus i like y'all better.
so here are some questions i need answered
1)what size turbo am i going to need
A. How much boost do you wanna run? project bolt on is in the 10s and has a holset HX 35 @ 28 PSI
2)ball bearing turbo?
A. HX35 is I believe or buy a SC50
3)what is hot side/ cold side
A. Unsure
4) do they make an after market head?
A. Yes, esslinger does, but for less than that price you can ship a head to bo-port and get a stage 4 port job and it will outflow all but a ported ARCA and ported SVO head. folvo conversion also is good
5) what kind of cam will i need
A. I hear good thinks on stage 1, 2, and 3 bo-port cams, had to get and not the cheapest, but very good
7)will i get 25mpg on the highway out of this?
A. Umm... With a J3 chip you can change what your closed and open loop, A/F ratio, and your boosted A/F ratio. Caroth (sp?) is very good with tuning so PM or e-mail him
thanks,
03-18-2008, 09:29 PM
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RE: turbo power
ORIGINAL: USMCrebel
ok, so i did some research, and it looks like a TT setup will not be good for the 2.3l (reliability issues). and i was wondering what does it take to get a 10.5 1/4. my final goal is to have about 650rwhp. i have no idea how to get there, and no im not going to waste my time looking at turbo ford when i have the wealth of knowledge here, and plus i like y'all better.
so here are some questions i need answered
1)what size turbo am i going to need
2)ball bearing turbo?
3)what is hot side/ cold side
4) do they make an after market head?
5) what kind of cam will i need
7)will i get 25mpg on the highway out of this?
thanks,
ok, so i did some research, and it looks like a TT setup will not be good for the 2.3l (reliability issues). and i was wondering what does it take to get a 10.5 1/4. my final goal is to have about 650rwhp. i have no idea how to get there, and no im not going to waste my time looking at turbo ford when i have the wealth of knowledge here, and plus i like y'all better.
so here are some questions i need answered
1)what size turbo am i going to need
2)ball bearing turbo?
3)what is hot side/ cold side
4) do they make an after market head?
5) what kind of cam will i need
7)will i get 25mpg on the highway out of this?
thanks,
03-19-2008, 09:11 AM
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RE: turbo power
1) Huge turbo lower boost numbers, or smaller turbo bigger boost numbers. Either one could get you your goal. A big housing Holset will suffice.
2) Ball bearing turbo's are much more expensive for afew hundred rpm quicker spooling. Would probably be useful if using a huge turbo, but cost factor comes in here.
3) Read MustangGuy's post
4) There are a few, Esslinger being the main one. They are uber expensive, I would go with a Bo ported head or just find somebody in your area that can port the hell out of it for you.
5) So many choices. Slider/roller, strictly track/lots of street use. These things need to be taken into consideration.
7) That will depend on your tune, but it is doubtful. It reaches a point eventually where the motor is so aggressive that just because it is a 4 cyl doesn't mean it will get good mileage.
What happened to #6?
Folvo swap is going to take somebody who really knows what they are doing to make it work properly. Lots of custom work required, and most don't have that kind of capability. You don't need it to go 10.50's. Hell, Huber doesn't need it to go 8.90's...
A J3 is a plug in sort of deal for the stock computer that allows you to tune it some. If I were shooting for 650 whp I would definitely want a standalone of some sort.
While youmay not want to go over to turboford, there are multiple people over there with first hand experience in making these cars very fast. Here we don't have anybody with that kind of experience. Just something to think about...
2) Ball bearing turbo's are much more expensive for afew hundred rpm quicker spooling. Would probably be useful if using a huge turbo, but cost factor comes in here.
3) Read MustangGuy's post
4) There are a few, Esslinger being the main one. They are uber expensive, I would go with a Bo ported head or just find somebody in your area that can port the hell out of it for you.
5) So many choices. Slider/roller, strictly track/lots of street use. These things need to be taken into consideration.
7) That will depend on your tune, but it is doubtful. It reaches a point eventually where the motor is so aggressive that just because it is a 4 cyl doesn't mean it will get good mileage.
What happened to #6?
Folvo swap is going to take somebody who really knows what they are doing to make it work properly. Lots of custom work required, and most don't have that kind of capability. You don't need it to go 10.50's. Hell, Huber doesn't need it to go 8.90's...
A J3 is a plug in sort of deal for the stock computer that allows you to tune it some. If I were shooting for 650 whp I would definitely want a standalone of some sort.
While youmay not want to go over to turboford, there are multiple people over there with first hand experience in making these cars very fast. Here we don't have anybody with that kind of experience. Just something to think about...
03-19-2008, 10:35 AM
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thanks mustang guy... thats what i thought it was. I dont like the number 6[:'(] so i ksipped it
i looked at heads and stuff, and OMG i love the porting idea now.
ball bearing turbo is out, ill brake boost it.
so what does a stand alone actually do?
it's mostly i dont like the interface on turbo ford, but i imagine ill go there eventually.
i looked at heads and stuff, and OMG i love the porting idea now.
ball bearing turbo is out, ill brake boost it.
so what does a stand alone actually do?
it's mostly i dont like the interface on turbo ford, but i imagine ill go there eventually.
03-20-2008, 09:05 AM
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RE: turbo power
A standalone allows you to specifically tune everything the car does. This leads to more power. turboford is kinda dated, but whenit starts coming to J3's or standalones I don't think anybody on here has ever done it before, while it is fairly common over there with lots of people to help out.