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Old 10-16-2009, 07:12 PM   #1
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I am thinking of possibly buying a turbo'd 2.3 (prolly turbo coupe t-bird) to daily drive when i swap the big block into my 5.0 foxbody.

Was wondering what kind of reliable power i can get out of one of these motors, i know very little about turbo's and turbo'd cars. Was wondering if the svo's had better blokcs then the t-birds, if there were particular years to look for over others.

Also was wondering if the t-birds were 5 lug or 4, and if they were disk brakes at all 4 corners?
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Old 10-16-2009, 10:29 PM   #2
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Reliable yes. Got local guy has 230,000 on his. Now to answer some of you question. 86 and older were 145HP with either c-3 automatic or t-5. Some have had upgrades to the 87-88 computer and vam. 195Hp. Rear drum brakes and front disc with 4lug. 7.5 limited slip rearend. One good point that engine has the Garrett t-3 which can be turned up on boost. Once the upgrade is done and intercooled. Now the 87-88 has the higher HP engine. Either A4LD transmission not the greatest trans. Or still can get t-5. Some came with electric ride shocks. Most have been removed and changed to regular shock. Junk system from what I read. ABS system is also not the greatest and lot have been removed and changed to non-abs. Has 8.8 rearend limited slip with 4 wheel disc brakes. Now this engine is intercooled thru opening in hood. Unless modified to front mounted intercooler. Has a IHI turbo. spools quick but won't give high boost without overspeeding and blowing hot air and self destruct.
Look for rust. Oil leak. Drive it and hit boost and check if see if dipstick blows out. And looks for fresh oil. Maybe sign of worn turbo or engine or if luck bad pcv valve. Blown headgasket are fairly common but easy to replace.
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Old 10-17-2009, 06:41 PM   #3
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http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/1406303132.html
this is the car i am looking at...

are these cars MAF or SD?
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Old 10-18-2009, 02:25 PM   #4
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Nice looking car. Just look for rust and collision damage. Since they are foxbody same area's to look at. No MAF of SD. Has a VAM done the same thing as MAF back the. Has already been upgraded to big vam and computer. This takes it to 87-88 HP specs. Not mention if has front mount intercooler [fmic]. If hasn't been done I would add soon. Make sure turbo is not a china made one. They have reputation of self destruction. Person recommended by most turboford.net to rebuild.
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Anymore questions just ask. Maurice
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Old 10-18-2009, 02:29 PM   #5
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Thought I would add. These were the stock wheels. I am puttting a 86 turbocoupe drivetrain in my MGB.
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Old 10-18-2009, 03:23 PM   #6
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http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/1406303132.html
this is the car i am looking at...

are these cars MAF or SD?
Not a bad looking car, but it will feel like a real turd with 2.73 gears and very minor mods, not to mention running around on fat tires and skinnies while running 15's at best...I would feel weird.

These cars can be intensely reliable, but like anything else if they have been constantly abused it will show. The blocks are all identical, and will withstand well into the 400hp range stock. Personally, if it is something you just want to DD around I would look for an 87-88 TurboCoupe. It will ride nicer than an SVO will, and it already has an 8.8 and better brakes...not to mention I think they look better than the older TC's do.
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Old 10-18-2009, 10:39 PM   #7
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the welds are gone or will be imediatley, it comes with a 88 disk 8.8, 373 gears so thatll fix that. Would i need to swap the MC when i do the rear swap?
also, is it worth swapping my spare 5.0 spindles to the front or are they the same as the turbocoupe spindles?

lastly, it has no fmic, so i will need to order one, what do i need to install the t3/t4 turbo he has? will i need bigger injectors or to change anything else (i.e fuel system)
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Old 10-19-2009, 07:03 PM   #8
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It already got 8.8 disc. I would assume he done the proper swap. On the fmic. Can look at my video's how I did it on my Mustang on the turbocoupe will be almost exactly the same. My intercooler came from e-bay for approx 140 with shipping. The t3/t4 should be a direct bolt it. Since came with a Garrett to begin with. Here is a old photo of my underhood setup. It is a 86 turbocoupe motor. That is way the swap started.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w..._4654_0001.jpg
It ended up like this now.

You may want to consider modifing the 90 out of the turbo to 3". And running 3" exhaust. Unless have to meet smog rules. The 90 out of turbo is steel not cast iron so it is weldable. He is link to how I did it. Warning if turbo has been used much the bolts will try to break so use care and be aware of it may happen. This is wife's photobucket since it his her car. I used 3" mandrel u-bend to makeup the exhaust. No one around here does mandrel bend exhaust.
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http://s403.photobucket.com/albums/pp115/mustanglady89/
Hope that helps Maurice
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Old 10-19-2009, 07:07 PM   #9
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I forgot here is link. Didn't ask for it but from earlier post I assume going to do it. 4 to 5 lug swap. Remember this site also for the v-8 cougars also. So be aware of that. Maurice
http://www.coolcats.net/tech/advanced/4to5lug.html
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http://www.coolcats.net/tech/advanced/tcaxle.html
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Old 10-20-2009, 10:33 AM   #10
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I forgot here is link. Didn't ask for it but from earlier post I assume going to do it. 4 to 5 lug swap. Remember this site also for the v-8 cougars also. So be aware of that. Maurice
http://www.coolcats.net/tech/advanced/4to5lug.html
MOre info.
http://www.coolcats.net/tech/advanced/tcaxle.html
haha not sure if you misunderstood. i am doing the 5 lug/4 disk swap on my 89 foxbody, i have 97 cobra spindles for it (of which i paid way way to much). i was just wondering if my 5.0 spindles off my 89 were better brakes then the ones on the stock turbo coupe.

I may modify the exhaust later, but not right away. I want to get the car up and running as quickly as possible, the 8.8 isnt installed, i would need to do the install. Does the 7.5 and 8.8 use the same springs and control arms, brake fittings for the hoses, same MC or booster, all these things would be VERY helpful.

As far as the engine goes, i want to get the intercooler in right away for saftey sake, and then bolt in the t3/t4 turbo since the t3 is shot. With the intercooler what psi should i run? and will i need to run a wastegate?

Real new to turbo's, but if i like it, i may consider going the route of a turbo'd small block instead of a big block in my foxbody, i imagine even with the intercooler and the turbo(s) it be lighter then an aluminum header 460.
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