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Old 10-21-2009, 08:55 AM   #1
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Hello. I'm new to the forum. first of all I currently don't own a Mustang but have always wanted one. I do however own two Fords. A 1968 Fairlane 302/C4 and a 1996 Explorer XLT 5.0 liter V8 with AWD.

I'd really like to have like a 90 to 93 Fox Body GT 5 speed but everyone wants like $8000 for them. Them seem to have a better resale value than the later models. For whatever reason.

I have considered building a GT clone like my step son did. His looks like a GT until you crank it up and hear the 4 banger.

I found this one on Craigs list:

http://tricities.craigslist.org/cto/1418781911.html

I have considered just turbocharging the 4 cylinder engine. I'm not new to turbocharging. I've done both fuel injection and blow through systems on Fiats.

http://users.chartertn.net/jseabolt/

However I want to know if there is any advanage to using a turbocharged 250 in-line 6 versus the four cylinder found in this 93 model.

I mean if I will the base 4 cylinder found in the 93 model produce roughly the same power as an old 250 CI motor?

I figure if I run 7 lbs of boost just based on my previous projects, I should end up with a 375 CI engine. Of course I won't have the same low end grunt of a V8 but power to weight ratio may be an advantage in the long run. I hear in-line motors produce more torque than V8s.

Would the 250 link up to the 5 speed transmission found in the 93 model or would I have to go with a C4 or something else?

Just kind of playing around with options at the moment.
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Old 10-21-2009, 01:36 PM   #2
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Hi and welcome to the forums!

The stock 2.3 block does not hold well upto boost at all. You will be lucky to get 6lbs of boost before its done. The 2.3 T motors have different heads and internals than the stock 2.3 N/A.

Theres a wealth of info on this site about doing a 2.3T swap from an SVO, TC or Merkur and a few people here have done the swap themselves.

It may be cheaper to drop in a 302 if you wanted to go that route from a donor car, along with trans, wiring and so forth. Or you could rebuild 2.3 N/A yourself. The possibilities are somewhat endless but dont expect any big power from a stock 2.3 N/A at all.

As for that inline 6, as far as im aware (and i may be wrong), i dont believe it will be a drop in a go deal and i also believe it will not bolt upto the T5 or C4 trans.....but again, i may be wrng on that info there.

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Old 10-21-2009, 04:28 PM   #3
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The stock 2.3 block does not hold well upto boost at all. You will be lucky to get 6lbs of boost before its done. The 2.3 T motors have different heads and internals than the stock 2.3 N/A.

Really? I didn't know the N/A 2.3 liters were that weak. I've turbocharged a Fiat 2 liter twin cam and a Fiat 1500 SOHC I dropped in my Yugo and they have been doing fine.
Both non-intercooled, 7 lbs of boost.

What's the weak link of the 2.3 liter? Or do they have too high a C/R to handle forced induction?
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Old 10-21-2009, 04:48 PM   #4
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very strong reliable engines but trough boost into the mix and stick a fork in her. Just get a 87-88 Thunderbird turbo coupe and do a swap can buy one for like $800-$1000
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Old 10-21-2009, 05:18 PM   #5
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Hi,

The 2.3T engines have forged internals and different combustion chambers on the heads. The 93 2.3 N/A Mustangs have a Dual Plug head and i havent seen anywhere online of someone trying to add a Turbo to one of those.

You should check out the TurboFord.net forums for more info on the 2.3 T.

Theres alot of members here too that im sure will chime in and give there 2 cents on the turbo debate also, such as Evintho, Mg_Man75, TRBOPWR, Sleeper_Inc and whoever else i forgot to mention (sorry guys). Those guys have alot more experience than me over these setups and can direct you better than what i can.
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The pistons are the weak link to it, the rest will hold up fine. For me the turbo 4 cylinder route was cheaper than a v8 swap, but it's your preference. I would go with the 4 cylinder over the inline 6 due to the aftermarket available. It's the same concept as the 4 cylinder vs the v8. The 4 cylinder does have a decent aftermarket, but nothing compared to the 5.0's There's more research there due to the engine being more popular.
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Old 10-21-2009, 11:21 PM   #7
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May want to conside the 2.3 turbo setup. All your accessories ext will boltup. AC, power steering etc. Also no problem in bolting up trans. The A4ld is not the greatest behind a turbo. I am running a C-4, but a t-5 will bolt up also. Now if going inline 6 Accessories change, and k-member is differant. Would need to modify yours or find a 4eye one. Some info on turboing the six may help decision. Hope all this helps. Maurice
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Advantage wise, obviously a low boost 6 would make more power than a low boost 4 would. I would think making it fit would be a small disadvantage, especially compared to buying a complete 2.3T and just bolting it in.

A turbo 6 would certainly be cool, and at low boost levels I don't know why it wouldn't be safe/reliable. Other than that short opinion I don't really have a whole lot that I can contribute lol
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