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Help me build a 408stroker w/ PAW book

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Old 11-03-2004, 12:32 AM   #1
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Default Help me build a 408stroker w/ PAW book

Hello guys,

I have a kit car that is just about done except for the engine and trans. It is set up for a 351W. I want to put a 408 stroker in it for HP and streetability. Target is 450-500 HP.

I have a PAW (performance auto warehouse) book infront of me right now. Is there anyone on this forum willing to guide me through the process of how to go about putting this engine together?


If you are curious the car is a FFR (factory five racing) car. roughly 2,000 lbs, 3:55 rear end, changed the four bolt pattern on the reaar end and front end to 5 lug on the wheels, 17" kumo wheels. Please don't suggest anything other than some sort of 351w stroker becasue the car is set up for it and any other engine combo would require modifications and would be a big head ache. I'm trying to save some money by not going with a crate engine. I have an engine builder down here who is willing to help me put the parts together.

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Old 11-03-2004, 12:34 AM   #2
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Also, this is going to be a carb engine.
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Old 11-03-2004, 02:34 PM   #3
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just my opion,but paw sucks ***...i have tried several times to deal with them and they are about as smart as a box of rocks..plus on several different times i have seen some of there motors..one had several slevved cyclinders...the heads where half *** done...one head had never been touched and they said it was a rebuilt head..i have use there brand of cam..ssi..and both went flat within 50 miles..switched to comp...never had a problem..just my 1.00 worth..
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Old 11-04-2004, 01:04 PM   #4
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I would recommend you take a look at Summit Racing for Ford Racing Performance Parts as they carry lots of them at good prices. so does www.holcombmotorsports.com. www.coasthigh.com makes good kits for stroker applications like yours. you could also call the Ford racing parts hot line at 586-468-1356 and ask them for some suggestions as to what parts will work best for what you plan to do with the car. good luck with it by the way.
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Old 11-04-2004, 11:13 PM   #5
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Thanks for the info Roundman. There is so much to consider it is unreal and being a bit older and wiser I'll follow the advice of those more experienced.

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Old 11-05-2004, 12:12 AM   #6
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PAW used to be good to deal with but not anymore, something has changed there in the past 2-3 years.......
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Old 11-05-2004, 04:19 AM   #7
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crank= 4.00 stroke
Rods= 6.250 legnth
Pistons= 408 stroker costum made
351w block clearanced and .030 over

and thats it, does not matter what brand get what you can afford and in the HP range you want dont over spend and deffanetly dont under spend.

www.catpep.com makes really nice crank and rods that are affordible and to meet almost any application, check them out.
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Old 11-05-2004, 04:26 AM   #8
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oh yeah i for got i have a carbed fully forged 408w stroker that is going to make 900hp at 11lbs of boost, if you need help just ask kadkinsmepa@sbcglobal.net i can help you build a 550hp 408w with out wasting any money.
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Old 11-19-2004, 12:35 AM   #9
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Thanks for the info. I don't want to get too radical with it. I'd be more than happy with 500hp

I was thinking about victor jr intake to keep the torque down in the low RPM range to help the tires hook up. What are your thoughts?

I currently have a stock 85 351W with a 4 barrel carb.....I just found a 1969 block that I'll do a rebuild with. The deck height is a little lower with the 69s but it looks like performance parts are available for either block. When I title the car the 69 engine will be going in so that I can title it as a 69.

I've also thought about doing a 392 stroker instead for reliability issues. I'm also thinking about a 392 b/c I'm thinking that a 392 isn't that far from the 408 and the HP / TQ ratings are about the same. I just don't want the engine to blow up and I'm stuck with a pile of junk.

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Old 11-19-2004, 02:00 AM   #10
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Coast High Performance owns stroker kits. They are one of the best if not THE best company to go to for strokers.
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Old 11-19-2004, 02:12 AM   #11
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DEFINETLY!my friends has got a SUPER nice 347 kit from there and it RUNS!
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Old 11-19-2004, 11:55 AM   #12
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I would use a 70-74 block with the higher deck hieght, if you have to deck the block a couple thousands (.123) could help you keep the compression down. Then again you could use some dished pistons, or thick head gaskets but those generally cost a little more money.
If I were to do it over again I'd go with a DSS or Coast High...

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Old 11-21-2004, 09:44 PM   #13
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I would have used a 70-74 block but I could not find any.

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Old 11-21-2004, 11:28 PM   #14
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i have a whole setup i could sale you. if interested e-mail me at mustang94@kih.net
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Old 11-22-2004, 04:19 PM   #15
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yes paw sucks...they slevee cylinders if they bad ,,,i hate slevees..not good for a stroker motor..you dont know what you get till you get it...crappy machine work too!
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Old 11-22-2004, 11:14 PM   #16
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I would use the C9 (1969) block as they are supposed to be a little stronger and the deck hieght is a little lower. The one I built stayed at 357 CID and has been raced in a '67 coupe for the past 4 years, wiith cheap Comps cam (hyd) and backyard done heads, flatop hyper pistons, nothing special at all the car runs 11.80's-90's on just a 4.10 gear up here in the desert where theres no air. I figure that I've got about 400HP out of it to run that good..........
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Old 11-22-2004, 11:21 PM   #17
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BTW, this sort of E.T. done with a C-4 with manual valve body and Cheap a++ converter thats supposed to 2800-3000 but I'm thinking that it's more 2400. Most of this whole car was built with swap meet stuff. Car itself is pretty light, 2800 with driver. Glass hood came from swaps also. I would like to be able to biuld simalar motor for Fox body 'Stang except use differant cam etc. BTW, compression on 357 is 9.6
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Old 11-24-2004, 09:53 PM   #18
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Thanks for the info. I contacted CHP and got a list of parts to order from them. Now the hard part, working the fingers to the bone to pay for all of it.

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