AFR? or TrickFlow?
10-24-2007, 08:31 AM
#42
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RE: AFR? or TrickFlow?
ORIGINAL: rmcclafl
DUDE ITS NOT THE SAME, just because you worked on those motors says nothing about a 347 to a 331 in longevity, the biggest reason being they come from a completely different block then the I6 or I4, yea the ratio might be worse, but again completely diff blocks, im going with a 331 because its best for me and i believe it will last longer, as for 50,000 miles **** i plan on putting mine upwards of a 100,000, it's very possible, LOL all this from a question on heads, DID you know that a 383 stroker aka chevy has a ratio closer to 5.2!!!!! thats pretty damn bad if you ask me i dont really care about all of it anyway, why leave the extra 16 cubes on the table......well its a car for the street/track, longevity, you can only get so many tickets too, lol all im looking for is a good engine that will last and put me close to the 400rwhp mark Naturally aspirated, i think people need to respect people who make that much horse naturally aspirated, you have to spend some major $$$ to get numbers upwards of 400rwhp, at least to someone going to school full-time and working part time 6000$ or so on a motor is alot of money, all i really want is to waste any ls1 lt1 bit .........ch that decides he wants to pick on a mustang
DUDE ITS NOT THE SAME, just because you worked on those motors says nothing about a 347 to a 331 in longevity, the biggest reason being they come from a completely different block then the I6 or I4, yea the ratio might be worse, but again completely diff blocks, im going with a 331 because its best for me and i believe it will last longer, as for 50,000 miles **** i plan on putting mine upwards of a 100,000, it's very possible, LOL all this from a question on heads, DID you know that a 383 stroker aka chevy has a ratio closer to 5.2!!!!! thats pretty damn bad if you ask me i dont really care about all of it anyway, why leave the extra 16 cubes on the table......well its a car for the street/track, longevity, you can only get so many tickets too, lol all im looking for is a good engine that will last and put me close to the 400rwhp mark Naturally aspirated, i think people need to respect people who make that much horse naturally aspirated, you have to spend some major $$$ to get numbers upwards of 400rwhp, at least to someone going to school full-time and working part time 6000$ or so on a motor is alot of money, all i really want is to waste any ls1 lt1 bit .........ch that decides he wants to pick on a mustang
here is why...I'M ABOUT TO BUILD A 347 THE RIGHT WAY WHICH WILL last just as long as the 331..you need to understand that there are two ways to build a 347...uh yes there are......the one you talk of with the R:s RATIONALE IS BASED ON A 3.4 stroke, 5.4 rod and 4.030 bore and 1.090 compression height..which makes for an inefficient piston/ring/rod ratio design and results in a 1.58 rod ratio just like a 363 stroker......I'm going with quite possibly a BOSS block which it's big bore capability you can obtain a 347 along with a 1.63 rod ratio using a 3.250 inch stroke and a 5.315 connecting rod and a 4.125 inch piston and wha la you arrive at 347 with a 1.63 rod ratio = a 347 done right!!!! Taken from MM&FF JUNE 2007 ISSUE........If you really are going to spend 6000 and try to get a N/A car have over 400 rwhp.....why waste your money on stock blocks using a prayer and faith to hope they hold up to the task at hand[&:].......Build your house/motor upon a rock!!! and or sturdy foundation
10-24-2007, 11:09 AM
#43
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RE: AFR? or TrickFlow?
This is what i got from Camshaft innovations when i asked about getting 400rwhp from my 331, LOL he gave me trick flow????!?!
Ok, for what you have and where you wish to go, the following is list that I feel will get you where you need to go. There are still unknowns on my end thus this is a ball park and ONLY a ball park on pricing. This is EVERYTHING I can supply and as you can see, there are options a long the way. But with nothing being etched in stone, it is the only way I can do it. As you cruise around and double check my pricing, you'll find that I am priced under summit & jeg's.
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CAMSHAFT (I do NOT know which style you need, yet)
Camshaft Hydraulic Roller (SADI core) is 299.00
Camshaft Hydraulic Roller (Billet core) is 399.00
Cam Dr Service (required) is 30.00
Freight (Flat Rate, Continental 48 States) is 20.00
HEADS
Trick Flow Street Heat 192cc Intake port
58cc Combustion Chamber
Assemblies come with Ferrea 6000 Series Racing Valves.
Hydraulic roller springs. The springs will be set up to match the cam.
Comp Cams cups, retainers, and locks.
Assembled to Ci specifications are 1349.00
Freight is TBD
ROCKER ARMS (All Roller Rockers are 7/16 stud, ratio to match cam unless otherwise noted)
Comp Cams Pro Magnum Roller Rockers are 269.00
Comp Cams Aluminum Roller Rockers are 289.00
Freight is 10.00
LIFTERS
Comp Cams 851-16 lifters are 229.00
Comp Cams 8931-16 lifters (required on non roller blocks –or- upgrade on roller block) 490.00
Freight is 10.00
TIMING SETS
S&A Gear timing set (SADI core) 9 keyway, TRUE .250†roller 75.00
S&A Gear timing set (Billet core) 9 keyway, TRUE .250†roller 95.00
Freight is 10.00
Camshaft Innovations can accept a credit card via www.paypal.com.
The Pay Pal account is: jayallen@comcast.net
You may send a money order or certified check to (preferred):
Camshaft Innovations
6411 Sauk Trail
Saline, MI 48176
Please let us know what you are doing and Camshaft Innovations appreciates YOUR business!
Ok, for what you have and where you wish to go, the following is list that I feel will get you where you need to go. There are still unknowns on my end thus this is a ball park and ONLY a ball park on pricing. This is EVERYTHING I can supply and as you can see, there are options a long the way. But with nothing being etched in stone, it is the only way I can do it. As you cruise around and double check my pricing, you'll find that I am priced under summit & jeg's.
++++++++++++++++++++++++
CAMSHAFT (I do NOT know which style you need, yet)
Camshaft Hydraulic Roller (SADI core) is 299.00
Camshaft Hydraulic Roller (Billet core) is 399.00
Cam Dr Service (required) is 30.00
Freight (Flat Rate, Continental 48 States) is 20.00
HEADS
Trick Flow Street Heat 192cc Intake port
58cc Combustion Chamber
Assemblies come with Ferrea 6000 Series Racing Valves.
Hydraulic roller springs. The springs will be set up to match the cam.
Comp Cams cups, retainers, and locks.
Assembled to Ci specifications are 1349.00
Freight is TBD
ROCKER ARMS (All Roller Rockers are 7/16 stud, ratio to match cam unless otherwise noted)
Comp Cams Pro Magnum Roller Rockers are 269.00
Comp Cams Aluminum Roller Rockers are 289.00
Freight is 10.00
LIFTERS
Comp Cams 851-16 lifters are 229.00
Comp Cams 8931-16 lifters (required on non roller blocks –or- upgrade on roller block) 490.00
Freight is 10.00
TIMING SETS
S&A Gear timing set (SADI core) 9 keyway, TRUE .250†roller 75.00
S&A Gear timing set (Billet core) 9 keyway, TRUE .250†roller 95.00
Freight is 10.00
Camshaft Innovations can accept a credit card via www.paypal.com.
The Pay Pal account is: jayallen@comcast.net
You may send a money order or certified check to (preferred):
Camshaft Innovations
6411 Sauk Trail
Saline, MI 48176
Please let us know what you are doing and Camshaft Innovations appreciates YOUR business!
10-24-2007, 11:59 AM
#44
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RE: AFR? or TrickFlow?
Nothing wrong with Trickflow, they make good shyt.
Canfield has been having delivery delays lately. My friend had to wait 2 months for his.
Canfield
AFR
Trickflow
Edlebrock
RHS
Dart
all make very good heads.
Just didn't want you using that TFS Top-End kit.
Those are also 192cc Trickflows ......... you get 170cc heads with that kit.
Canfield has been having delivery delays lately. My friend had to wait 2 months for his.
Canfield
AFR
Trickflow
Edlebrock
RHS
Dart
all make very good heads.
Just didn't want you using that TFS Top-End kit.
Those are also 192cc Trickflows ......... you get 170cc heads with that kit.
10-24-2007, 12:58 PM
#45
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RE: AFR? or TrickFlow?
yea, i really dont care who manufactures them as long as the damn things do what i want them to and do it good, do you guys think that setup that he suggested will push 400rwhp i told him i was looking for 380 to 400, i just dont want to get it all in and everything tuned, then dyno it and have 320 or something gay like that, i better be getting at least 380 at the wheels or im probably going to.........cry......lol, i have a tokiko lowering kit and its prettty damn stiff, those shocks and springs will be able to handle the 400+hp right???
My T5 will withstand that if im "nice" to it wont it, i mean if im in 3rd say and im crusin at oh 50 mph, then i nail it, im not going to be experiencing any breakage right?? i know there only rated to like 235flbs of torque but it'll be ok for a little while wont it?
My T5 will withstand that if im "nice" to it wont it, i mean if im in 3rd say and im crusin at oh 50 mph, then i nail it, im not going to be experiencing any breakage right?? i know there only rated to like 235flbs of torque but it'll be ok for a little while wont it?
10-24-2007, 03:49 PM
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RE: AFR? or TrickFlow?
ORIGINAL: rmcclafl
yea, i really dont care who manufactures them as long as the damn things do what i want them to and do it good, do you guys think that setup that he suggested will push 400rwhp i told him i was looking for 380 to 400, i just dont want to get it all in and everything tuned, then dyno it and have 320 or something gay like that, i better be getting at least 380 at the wheels or im probably going to.........cry......lol, i have a tokiko lowering kit and its prettty damn stiff, those shocks and springs will be able to handle the 400+hp right???
My T5 will withstand that if im "nice" to it wont it, i mean if im in 3rd say and im crusin at oh 50 mph, then i nail it, im not going to be experiencing any breakage right?? i know there only rated to like 235flbs of torque but it'll be ok for a little while wont it?
yea, i really dont care who manufactures them as long as the damn things do what i want them to and do it good, do you guys think that setup that he suggested will push 400rwhp i told him i was looking for 380 to 400, i just dont want to get it all in and everything tuned, then dyno it and have 320 or something gay like that, i better be getting at least 380 at the wheels or im probably going to.........cry......lol, i have a tokiko lowering kit and its prettty damn stiff, those shocks and springs will be able to handle the 400+hp right???
My T5 will withstand that if im "nice" to it wont it, i mean if im in 3rd say and im crusin at oh 50 mph, then i nail it, im not going to be experiencing any breakage right?? i know there only rated to like 235flbs of torque but it'll be ok for a little while wont it?
2. My T5 can handle the power in my Sig and has all summer...but I dont power shift it or launch it at high revs...plus it has beenrebuilt and I run a Centerforce Dual Friction Clutch..heavy duty Throw out bearing retainer etc etc...
10-24-2007, 08:07 PM
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RE: AFR? or TrickFlow?
ORIGINAL: rmcclafl
Well thats what i got from jay allen himself so idk
Well thats what i got from jay allen himself so idk
10-25-2007, 05:40 AM
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RE: AFR? or TrickFlow?
ORIGINAL: Joel5.0
But he does ...... could you imagine a 306 engine, in a DD, making 355 RWHP, running 11.31 in the 1/4, with all its accessories (A/C, P/S, etc) and 20+ MPG's; as an example? Would he be able to do better with a 331 setup?.......
ORIGINAL: rmcclafl
Well thats what i got from jay allen himself so idk
Well thats what i got from jay allen himself so idk
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