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Old 07-26-2005, 01:05 AM   #1
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The motor i want to build is going to cost me to much right now. i am only 18 and i cant afford to build it. so i think i will wait till after school. but anyways i was looking on summit and found this crate engine. here is the part number do a search and check it out FMS-M-6007-XE3M. im just wondering if that motor is good for the amount of Hp it says it puts out. and also would i be able to put atleast 9 lbs of boost on this motor since the compression is low at 9:1?
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Old 07-26-2005, 01:28 AM   #2
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hmm.. i didnt search it but i sugest the gt40 crate motor.
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Old 07-26-2005, 01:33 AM   #3
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heres the specs..
These 5.0L/302 GT-40 crate engine assemblies from Ford Racing are the perfect way to increase the performance of any ride. They include assembled aluminum GT-40 cylinder heads with 1.94 in. intake and 1.54 in. exhaust valves. The heads have 178cc intake runners and 62cc exhaust runners. The camshaft provides significant horsepower increases above 2,500 RPM and good low-end torque. Valve lift is .498 in. on both intake and exhaust. Duration at .050 inches is 220 degrees on both intake and exhaust. These engines feature a 9.0:1 compression ratio (nominal), and produce approximately 345 HP, making them great for limited budgets.

Engines come assembled with:

* Cast crankshaft
* Pistons
* GT-40 valve train
* Ford valve covers
* Water pump
* Rear sump Fox style 5 qt. oil pan and pickup
* Harmonic balancer
* Spark plugs
* Engine oil dipstick
* Flywheel

sounds like the one you suggest
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Old 07-26-2005, 02:15 AM   #4
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I'd say if you got the money go ahead and get the engine, they are great and if you want more power from it you can still do a lot with that engine. If it were me and I had the money to spare I'd say hell yes.
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Old 07-26-2005, 09:11 AM   #5
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that 345 HP they get is with the stuff they put on that is not included in the crate engine like the intake manifold/carb and so on. so if you put on what they said that got the 345 HP you can get that but you can get better numbers with better parts then they used. but if you use your stock intake you have now then you probally wont get those numbers. read this. you dont have to get it here since its 300.00 over summits price but they give a little more info than summit. http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerc...76&prmenbr=361
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Old 07-26-2005, 12:30 PM   #6
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I personally wouldn't put 9 lbs of boost on a GT-40 crate motor - cast crank, hyper pistons, not as durable as a pre 93 stock engine.

Personally I'd rebuild the existing engine and chuck a set of heads on it - with 24 lb fuel injectors and your existing setup you could save some money and have a better engine.
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Old 07-26-2005, 03:57 PM   #7
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yeah i want to throw a RPM II manifold on there and a couple other things. i think i could get close to 345. then i will just wait a couple years and start slowly building a motor that can handle 14lbs of boost and be streetable. with this crate motor can anyone guess quarter mile times for it?
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Old 07-26-2005, 10:03 PM   #8
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If you're going to build a motor for a lot of boost, you'll want to start with a stronger block. Stock block 302's I hear tend to split in half at about 550-600hp.
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Old 07-27-2005, 01:00 AM   #9
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yeah i want to throw a RPM II manifold on there and a couple other things. i think i could get close to 345. then i will just wait a couple years and start slowly building a motor that can handle 14lbs of boost and be streetable. with this crate motor can anyone guess quarter mile times for it?
theres alot more factors to 1/4 mile times than HP/TQ numbers. i personally dont race but there are people that can help you more in that area. cause you can have all the HP/TQ in the world but if you cant get it to the ground. then what good is all that HP/TQ. good traction is a must to get the best out of a car. suspension plays a part in it. again theres is lot of factors in racing then just HP.
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Old 07-27-2005, 01:03 AM   #10
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yeah i understand
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Old 07-27-2005, 02:10 AM   #11
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I purchased the FMS 345hp Crate Motor and havent looked back.

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To make the 345hp that FMS claims, you need to read the fine print...Cobra or GT40 intake, 65mm Throttle Body at a minimum and Headers. I purchased the Cobra Intake w/65mm Throttle Body and BBK Chrome Headers..I would wager I was making their claimed 345hp as I was hurting a lot people at the lights.

This is what it looked like prior to the install:

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I have since purchased and installed the following:

AFR 165cc Heads, Vortech S-Trim with 8-9lbs of boost, Anderson PowerPipe and 1.72 rockers.


Here is a current picture of the engine bay.

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Prior to the Anderson PowerPipe and 1.72 rockers install, I dyno'ed at

389 rwhp and 397 rwtq.....all this with a backyard tune from three gear heads...

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With the Anderson PowerPipe and 1.72 rockers installed, I can guarantee you that I am well over 400+ in HP and TQ to the tires. The difference in both of these mods were definitely worth every penny. Go to my website to see everything...just keep in mind that I still have the " hyper-pathetic pistons " as well. It is all in the tune!!!

I already have plans to Chip and Tune the motor...I was practically guaranteed 470+ rwhp with the tune. The only thing that worries me is not the pistons, but the block. My hotrod is a weekend warrior, so there is approximately 11000 miles on the motor and 3500 miles on the Vortech...everything was purchased new and broke in nicely.

Get the motor....build from there. I plan on purchasing the Factory Five Cobra kit car and will build the same drivetrain setup, as I know it works. I have not had any problems with this motor. Good Luck with your build.

By the way...here is what my motor powers....she is named the BMNLSC:

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Old 07-27-2005, 02:21 AM   #12
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Nice car..but if FMS says that the motor makes 345 hp how come your only making 390 with all those mods? is 345 hp supposed to be the Hp at the crank? i like what you dropped the motor in. very clean car and motor and one hell of a sleeper! Looks good
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Old 07-27-2005, 02:58 AM   #13
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I dont see how the crate motors can list HP to the tires when 1) they are not installed in a car 2) cannot account for the air/fuel ratio you have for your setup and 3) cannot account for your transmission type (auto or manual).

So to answer your question simply...yes the HP rating is to the crank.

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Old 07-27-2005, 12:20 PM   #14
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The hyper pistons just aren't as durable. A batch of bad gas, clogged fuel filter, dying injector, failing fuel pump - they're more vunerable. They will work though.
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yeah i want to throw a RPM II manifold on there and a couple other things. i think i could get close to 345. then i will just wait a couple years and start slowly building a motor that can handle 14lbs of boost and be streetable. with this crate motor can anyone guess quarter mile times for it?
theres alot more factors to 1/4 mile times than HP/TQ numbers. i personally dont race but there are people that can help you more in that area. cause you can have all the HP/TQ in the world but if you cant get it to the ground. then what good is all that HP/TQ. good traction is a must to get the best out of a car. suspension plays a part in it. again theres is lot of factors in racing then just HP.
I agree. Just as an example, I have built the top end of my car with heads, cam, intake and exhaust, but have 3.55 gears with stock style suspension. My best times to date are 13.2@104. As a comparison, a friend of mine has taken a completely stock motor (thats stock heads, cam, intake) added a 125 shot of NOS, pulled everything off the car that he can for weight reduction and replaced the entire suspension for a good launch, then threw in 4.10 gears. He just ran an 11.85. Its a trade off. Do you want a race car that runs good times or a street car that is quick but gets decent gas mileage.
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