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9550 11-07-2013 02:21 PM

prep work for new hydraulic lifters?
 
hey guys
i will be installing brand new hydraulic roller lifters once i get the new cam installed.
what i want to know is other than dropping the lifters into place, what if anything do i need to do beforehand, during, and after install to make sure i do things right.
for example, i have seen at least one youtube vid advising soaking the lifters for at least a couple days prior to install. is this legit or some maniac making videos?

do i use assembly lube when installing the lifters?

feel free to answer these questions and give any other tips/advice/recommendations

thanks in advance.

currently, the everything is off the top end of the car down to the block and the cam is out, if that matters.

Duncan_GT 11-07-2013 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 9550 (Post 8306553)
hey guysfor example, i have seen at least one youtube vid advising soaking the lifters for at least a couple days prior to install. is this legit or some maniac making videos?

Just make sure the lifter bores are free of any debris (there really shouldn't be any). Drop the lifters in. As for soaking the lifters, you can do it that way or you can prime the oiling system before you start the motor, which is always recommended

petrock 11-09-2013 02:47 AM

The point of soaking the lifters is to try prime the lifters with some oil before you start them up, so the lifters donít squish after initial startup. When I replaced the lifters in my wifeyís í98 3.8L the new lifters all came pre-primed with a little oil inside them. Yours might also. You donít need to soak the lifters for a couple days. Overnight should be fine. Although, I donít believe soaking is necessary. As Duncan_GT mentioned, you should prime the oiling system before starting the car the first time. That will prime the lifters with oil a lot more efficiently, accurately & reliably them soaking.

I would, however, use assembly lube when installing them, especially on the cam lobes and sides/bottom of the lifter. Unless you have an electric oil pump, when you prime the oiling system you will be turning the motor over. Which means that the lifters will be riding on the cam. You donít want that to happen with the lifters/cam dry. Assembly lube will help keep things lubed up during that initial priming/startup. Good luck...

Duncan_GT 11-09-2013 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by petrock (Post 8307226)
I would, however, use assembly lube when installing them, especially on the cam lobes and sides/bottom of the lifter. Unless you have an electric oil pump, when you prime the oiling system you will be turning the motor over. Which means that the lifters will be riding on the cam. You donít want that to happen with the lifters/cam dry. Assembly lube will help keep things lubed up during that initial priming/startup. Good luck...

No. He needs to take his distributor out and spin the oil pump driveshaft with a drill. This ensures that the oiling system is primed, and nothing is rotated over = no moving parts. This is how to correctly prime the system.

9550 11-10-2013 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Duncan_GT (Post 8307256)
No. He needs to take his distributor out and spin the oil pump driveshaft with a drill. This ensures that the oiling system is primed, and nothing is rotated over = no moving parts. This is how to correctly prime the system.

thanks
the top of the oil drive shaft is square? what do i use to spin it?

9550 11-11-2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 9550 (Post 8307594)
thanks
the top of the oil drive shaft is square? what do i use to spin it?

i mean, i know im going to use a drill, but is there some special adapter needed or does square end of my 1/4" extension fit onto the oil pump drive shaft, or ?

Roger Mabry 11-11-2013 01:54 PM

Look at bottom of distributor shaft - it is out of the car
 
That is the size of the rod you need to turn the oil pump.... buy one at most
auto parts stores or online...

Roger Mabry 11-11-2013 01:57 PM

Found this online - hope it helps
 
"To prime it remove the distributor and put a socket with an extension taped to it on the oil pump driveshaft and spin it counterclockwise with an electric drill?

Read more http://www.kgbanswers.com/how-do-you-prime-an-oil-pump-in-a-ford-302/20857305#ixzz2kMvQpsuX"

Duncan_GT 11-11-2013 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 9550 (Post 8308114)
i mean, i know im going to use a drill, but is there some special adapter needed or does square end of my 1/4" extension fit onto the oil pump drive shaft, or ?

Sure you're looking at the right thing? My stock driveshaft and ARP hardened shaft were both hexagonal.

In any case, TAPE the extensions and socket. You'll thank me when you don't drop the socket down into the oil pan

9550 11-11-2013 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Duncan_GT (Post 8308245)
Sure you're looking at the right thing? My stock driveshaft and ARP hardened shaft were both hexagonal.

In any case, TAPE the extensions and socket. You'll thank me when you don't drop the socket down into the oil pan

no, was going off my terrible memory.
so its a hex? ok. i will double check it when the time comes anyway.
thanks again

Duncan_GT 11-11-2013 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 9550 (Post 8308314)
no, was going off my terrible memory.
so its a hex? ok. i will double check it when the time comes anyway.
thanks again

Not a problem

9550 11-11-2013 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Duncan_GT (Post 8308318)
Not a problem

by chance, is there a way i can visually/physically check to make sure the shaft is still in place?
currently the timing cover is off, so i have access into the oil pan kinda.
and the cam is out so i can see inside a little if i stick my head down there.

thing is, when i took the distributor out, it was a real ordeal. loud bang when it popped off. i suspect the bang was from the distributor coming free, but who knows. i dont know how the oil pump shaft is attached to the pump, so i want to check if it is still in place.

if i reach into the pan and the oil pump shaft is vertical, then im good, or could it be vertical and not be in place? (i dont know if the shaft just sits there or if its held down by a clip or anything)

thanks

Duncan_GT 11-11-2013 09:57 PM

Look down the distributor hole, you should see the shaft. There is a toothed washer on the shaft that prevents it from coming out with the distributor. It also helps in the fact that you can't take the shaft out without taking the pump off. So, your shaft should still be vertical

9550 11-15-2013 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Duncan_GT (Post 8308409)
Look down the distributor hole, you should see the shaft. There is a toothed washer on the shaft that prevents it from coming out with the distributor. It also helps in the fact that you can't take the shaft out without taking the pump off. So, your shaft should still be vertical

I checked it
I can see the shaft looking down
since my timing cover is off, I also stuck my hand in
there. shaft seems to be in place. I can move it up and down about 1/4 inch, but I assume that's normal?

Duncan_GT 11-15-2013 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 9550 (Post 8309702)
I checked it
I can see the shaft looking down
since my timing cover is off, I also stuck my hand in
there. shaft seems to be in place. I can move it up and down about 1/4 inch, but I assume that's normal?

Yep thats perfect. Its like that to compensate for manufacturing flaws in the shaft/dizzy/oil pump housing

9550 11-15-2013 11:22 AM

so, i spin the oil pump drive shaft, the pump turns, pumps oil through the filter. the oil goes back into the block and into passages? how does it get inside the lifter? how does it get inside the push rod?

Duncan_GT 11-15-2013 12:41 PM

Look at your lifters and the lifter bores. There are passages drilled for the oil. When the lifter fills with oil and you are still spinning the oil pump, the only way the oil can go is up through the pushrod, this why the pushrod is hollow.

9550 11-15-2013 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Duncan_GT (Post 8309767)
Look at your lifters and the lifter bores. There are passages drilled for the oil. When the lifter fills with oil and you are still spinning the oil pump, the only way the oil can go is up through the pushrod, this why the pushrod is hollow.

i figured as much, but there doesnt appear to be any openings for the oil to get inside the lifters, so im perplexed

Duncan_GT 11-15-2013 02:39 PM

Post a pic. Holes should be on the sides of the lifter

petrock 11-16-2013 12:25 AM

There should be one or two holes on the side of the lifter and another one in the cup at the top of the lifter where the push rod rides. Inside the lifter bore there is an channel that lines up with the whole on the sides of the lifter. The oil goes through the motor and into that channel, into the whole in the side of the lifter, filling the lifter, and then up through the whole in the cup and up through the pushrod. Hope that helps...


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