Originally Posted by bluebeastsrt
Oh my god your equating surface corrosion with not working. Wonder how long the original ford exhaust would have lasted if I would have left it alone. The factory exhaust wasn't stainless and my exhaust didn't have any leaks when it was removed. It was almost 20 years old. I simply removed it for something that allowed more power. Your so worried about something being pretty and shiny your missing my point that you don't have to have stainless for a daily driven street car or even an inexpensive track toy. It's awesome your exhaust looks brand new on your 200 hp daily driver. But it you absolutely must have stainless. Don't trust some fly by night Chinese eBay vender. I guess it's all a matter of prospective. I'd rather have a performance car with actual performance. You like shiny exhaust parts. I built a car that would lift the front wheel off the ground. And not a stainless item on the entire car. To each their own. But how your trying to call no name Chinese eBay headers a wise purchase is silly. There is a very valid reason the majority of people on here are against that Chinese garbage your promoting so hard! For every one that works there is ten noobs crying the blues about how they can't get a proper seal! Why don't you buy a nice set of no name eBay Chinese heads to bolt those headers to. Make sure to use ARP bolts on everything!
I thought you were done? Guess not...
I'm equating surface corrosion (and interior corrosion... don't kid yourself) with rotting out.
Now you're questioning my purchasing decisions based on the power of my car? I wasn't questioning how fast your car was... I was questioning buying a name, that every single time has disappointed me personally, over longevity... I took the risk of the headers being crap (which they are not), but made from 304 (which they are), against the risk of an extra $100 at a shop to have them repaired new out of the box if they needed it (which they didn't) and a net savings of about $200 (if I had to pay the repair bill, which I didn't) over comparable SS headers... The OP was talking about taking his mild steel headers in for repair... Sounds like a great plan to me? He also ASKED ME, and you attacked the F out of me.
Silly or not, and as much of an assbag as you want to be, my headers are fine and are sealing. You first attacked me on the basis on buying the most expensive gaskets on the market (wow... $30 over, what? $15 for the cheapest?... that you recommended the generic of but didn't provide a link, thanks for the non-help), then somehow thought that buying ARP bolts had ANYTHING to do with my header selection or sealing (I WOULD have used generic stainless bolts if they were available... the head/washer combo required from hardware store bolts don't fit), and now you're attacking the performance of my car (because BBK brand unequal length shorty headers will no doubt add 100hp over anything else)? What's next? What to make fun of my hair cut or underwear? Gonna pin me down in the locker room showers and get some rage worked out?
I don't remember claiming BBK would slow your car down... I remember claiming they're crap quality. My opinion hasn't changed. I don't like them and you didn't say ANYTHING about any other brands to look at, just attacked me for making a decision that worked out fine.
I buy stainless exhausts because damn near every car I've owned has rotted off its mild steel systems (in some cases more than once). For the $700 price for the full stainless system, why not? To answer your question, it took less than 14 years for my '91 to rot its system off. Is that bad? No... Do I plan to own the car for more than 14 years (7 so far after exhaust replacement) yes... So I'm still the idiot I guess?
I'm reminded of a time, in fact MANY times, when AdderMk2 was screaming at people that a stock SN-95 70mm MAF housing was exactly as good as any other 70mm MAF housing (other than "calibrated" housings... I'm sure you remember the rant) and people jumped up and down that it wouldn't work or was useless, or whatever... Got one of those on my car too.. I guess I'm just getting dumber as it goes? I just invoked the mighty and banned AdderMk2 so I'm probably ready for the turnip truck again... Believe it or not I even respect your opinion, you're just acting like I'm a total loon for telling you about what has been working JUST FINE for *7* years with never a problem, then you attacking me for recommending it when *asked*, and getting pissy when I tell you that my headers are going to outlive me. I just don't see the fault in my logic.
As far as ALL OTHER experiences, I can't comment. I know what is on my car, I know it works, and I don't feel bad saying that it does. I know I've seen plenty of crap on other cars and went a different way... and when I say crap, I mean BBK in this instance. Long tubes, short tubes, unequal or equal, all not so great in fitment or longevity.
Whatever... At the end of the day I've been on the opposite side from the pundits before and I've always managed to work it out. I'll be curious to hear the thoughts of the crowd in another 7, 15, or 30 years about my car... Will the headers ever leak? Will the car ever make more than 200hp? Stay tuned, I guess...? I'm pretty proud of the power gain on a basically stock vehicle outside of E-Fan, MAF, and exhaust. My god, I must be cRaZy for even taking my car to a dyno to verify those results so I could share them with others. No doubt I would just be ridiculed.
Dawson: I'm aware of Chinese standards of manufacturing and I rolled the dice willing to face the problems you faced for the money. I won. I'm sorry you lost. I can't even promise the same Chinese people are making the eBay headers I bought 7 years ago as today. Obviously I have absolutely NO experience with the long tube system you bought. I appreciate you respectfully adding your experience to the conversation.