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Old 08-21-2014, 03:53 PM   #1
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Question 4 lug brake systems?

I really had my heart set on a Wilwood kit, but learned from their tech/sales support that they only sell 5 lug pattern hubs in their systems.

I really like my rims and had spent some time and money powder coating them and they are 4 lug, as many of the stock rims are as well, so I don't understand why they would abandon that configuration.

Anyhow, is there any decent 4 lug brake kits out there? Or...can I use a Wilwood system, but a different/factory hub?
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Old 08-22-2014, 08:56 AM   #2
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Don't bother. The 4 lug setup is weak and inferior in every way. You are limited to BS brakes that will NEVER perform like anything the 5 lug setup will get you. Trust me, I just spent $2,000 on the SN95 Cobra front and rear brake conversion, 5 lug ARP studs, new rims, all new brake (everything), and stronger 28 spline axles (which the stock axles are infamous for snapping too by the way). It has saved me and my car 3 times in the last 6 months since doing it. BEST MONEY I'VE EVER SPENT. It took my 30-0 stopping distance from 37ft to 17ft. Don't screw around with BS brakes, save up, spend the money, and upgrade the most important part of your car.
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Old 08-22-2014, 08:57 AM   #3
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Also, the SN95 Cobra brakes were made by Baer, and the ball joints (which you do not have to grease by the way) are waaaaaaaaaaay better than the foxbodys. Also, no more packing bearings every time you have to take the brakes off.
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Old 08-26-2014, 04:18 PM   #4
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SSBC has a four lug rear kit but I dont know of any front kit. I bought all Wilwood stuff for my car and I love it. Granted it was not cheap but that bitch sure stops on a dime.
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Old 08-26-2014, 07:00 PM   #5
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you don't need to spend grand on brakes and go 5 lug to stop decent....I still run completely stock brakes on a 85 mustang with the only upgrade being the front to 78-93 style and done right 4 lug set ups are not inferior in every way, oh yeah and my ride runs mid 10's and it stops just fine......I'm about ready to upgrade the rear to disc with the t-bird set up....so as to be able to keep my 15 inch drag tires, something 5 lug can't offer you and if you like your rims no reason to go buy new rims..... also this place and kits will allow you to keep the fox track width without having to change axles.......unless you plan to build a single digit race car, for street applications this will work good for the rear and you can upgrade the front accordingly based on your current rim size........I'm limited in choice as I run 15 inch drag radials try this place out: http://www.northracecars.com/Brakes.html
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Old 08-28-2014, 07:11 AM   #6
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Northracecars.com sells all the stuff you need for a 4 lug or 5 lug brake upgrade. The guys name is Rick, and he has patents on his axles which are foxbody length and SN95 hub size so the brakes fit right with no issues. 4 lug is inferior in strength, looks like crap, limits your rims, limits your rotor size, and you can kiss the idea of putting on Brembo, Willwood, Baer, and SN95/Baer brakes on your car. I like beating the hell out of my car and not worrying about the wheels falling off or the axles snapping. It's a BS design by Ford that needs to be fixed. I'm not saying that you cannot stop decent by sticking to the 4 lug, but why the hell would you limit yourself? If packing bearings tickles your fancy and having a limited setup, go for the 4 lug.

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Keep your rims, make sure your braking system is maintained with good parts, great pads and enjoy. Yeah, there's really good brake systems out there, but you'll pay for them. I've never complained about my stocker brakes, they've always worked well in my car. Good pads made a big difference, and maintenance, maintenance, maintenance.

I like to spend my money going faster, not slowing down. But that's just me. Sorry Yuri lol.
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Also, so say you buy an SSBC kit for 800 and stay with the 4 lug... yes I spent 2,000 but lets consider what I got for the extra 1,200... brand NEW 5 lug ARP studs which will never break, new axles (which will snap before your 4 lug setup if they are stock), 2 piston front, 14" rotors, 12" rear rotors, all new Maximum Motorsports stainless steel brake lines, all new Maximum Motorsports pre-bent hard lines, new 1" 93 Cobra master cylinder, new 93 cobra brake booster, Willwood adjustable brake proportioning valve, fresh red line gear oil, new SN95 cobra R style rims, swapped and balanced my tires with nitrogen, new parking brake cables, I never worry about snapping wheels studs or axles, new ball joints, new tie rod ends, new control arm bushings, the ability to put on Brembo set up with I want, the ability to put on Maximum Motorsports K member with MM control arms, no more backing bearings, Hawk brake pads, SN95 spindles with better geometry than the foxbody's, better ball joints, new adjustable parking brake cable, much easier brake jobs, NO MORE BS DRUMS, have an upgraded and more modern/unique foxbody and a stopping distance that will put you through the window. I'm sure I'm forgetting something, but you get the picture. All for an extra 1,200... worth it if you ask me. Like I said, it already paid for it's self on 3 separate occasions and I've never regretted it from the first time I mashed that brake pedal.
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"I like to spend my money going faster, not slowing down. Sorry Yuri lol."[/QUOTE]

LMAO That's cool until some jackass pulls out in front of you and slows you down permanently. I live in Florida with all the old people, so I need good brakes. I've put too much time and money in my ride to have it destroyed over crappy brakes.
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Lol, great point about living in Florida, I never thought about who your sharing the road with lol.
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Yeah I'm NOT getting hostile with anybody or anything like that at all. It's a touchy subject for me I guess because that's the reason why I got rid of my bikes (old people and lack of ability to stop well enough). The 4 lug set up can certainly be made better, but the truth is even though it's more money the 5 lug setup has the most potential. Trust me, I get being a baller on a budget. It took me months to save up, but it's worth the time and money. There are cheaper ways to go about the 5 lug set up, but I just ripped the band aid off all at once with top of the line parts, so it was of course a little more expensive at first, but if you are going to go 5 lug, it's waaaaay cheaper to do it all at once. Like with anything else on the car, it's ultimately up to "what do I want to do with the car and how big of a baller am I?"

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I understand what your saying, but I didn't take anything you said as being hostile, or rude or even disrespectful. We're just discussing brake options. I'm one of those people that aren't very serious about things and find humor in almost everything. Plus I got a little sumthin sumthin this morning from the wife, so today is a good day.
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Nice going with the wife. lol That's cool I just wanted to give as much information as I can and the rest is up to you. I really love the results I got from my investment, and I'm a very firm believer in building a car from the ground up. Power is worthless useless you can control it or stop it when necessary. The 2 most fundamentally flawed things on foxbodys are the suspension and brakes. Two areas that MUST be addressed before adding any power to it whatsoever.
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Funny how I use those 'inferior' 3 lug brakes on my 10 second race car and they seem to work great stopping it from 126+ MPH.
Oh BTW, I'm one of those old people too, #66 coming up......
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3 lug!? lmao What kind of Mustang do you have!!!??? Listen, I'll put it this way, the 93 Cobra which had a better master cylinder, brake booster, and rear disc brakes was known to stop from 30-0 at 37 feet. Once I did my SN95 Cobra upgrade, I consistently did 17 feet. Literally more than HALF of what the 93 Cobra could do. Also, keep in mind that I was still adjusting the proportioning valve and the brakes were still quite new (less than 5 miles on them). I don't know about you, but I think that's pretty damn good. I'm not saying at all you cannot stop from 126+ MPG with the 4 lug set up, but you could do it BETTER with a 5 lug upgrade because they have the better brakes. You cannot argue that 5 lug ARP is not superior to any 4 lug set up. No 4 lug setup can compare to Brembo, Willwood, or Baer brakes, which you can only get with 5 lugs.

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Also, by the way Tinman, I mean no disrespect in anything I've said. It is what it is, and where I live people drive like complete fools. Old, young, man, women, etc. Since I am such a big believer in a good setup, I will argue what I think is right to the best of my abilities. So please do not take any offense to anything I say. The fact is that the SN95 Cobra brakes were made to stop a car that weighed 3,800 pounds, and they did a great job doing it. 14" front rotors, dual piston calipers designed by Baer. Imagine what that does to the foxbody which is about 700-1,000 pounds lighter depending on what you have. Also keep in mind there is a big difference between stopping once at the drag strip and continuous braking at the track. Stock brakes and drums will stop fine......once, but will be subject to brake fade once they heat up. You don't have to worry about that with a better brake setup. Even the guys at Maximum Motorsports will tell you how the stock brakes are pretty decent for the first stop, but after that.... nah.

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The only relevant question that needs to be answered is "what does the op want/intended use of the car? that'll dictate need/options. So waiting on op's response.
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Also, here are some outside sources to back up my claims...

http://www.stangbangers.com/93_Cobra...28_Article.htm

http://www.fiveohinfo.com/performanc...discbrake.html
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I will never convert to 5 lug for the same reason the OP wishes not to, irregardless of what a magazine article "claims".............Not gonna waste 3000 for all new street and drag tires and wheels just so I can have fancy brakes shinning through the rims because some one in a magazine article thinks they don't look as good as the bigger brakes. Plus I don't drive like a jackhole on the street giving it hell at every chance I can, some of us grow out of the 16 year old antics....either way my car stops quite well with the north race cars 4 lug disc set up in the 1320 at 130+ mph all with with inferior 4 lug axles that I have never broken, if you don't believe me you can watch it from the back all day long...lol Are there better set ups than mine...sure, is yours better than mine.....I'm sure it is, Do I/the OP need what you have....? NO, PROBABLY not as I can use a hole 1/8 to 1/4 to slow down, and no I have never needed such at the track. to each his own.
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