Go Back   MustangForums.com > Ford Mustang Tech > 5.0L (1979-1995) Mustang > 5.0L General Discussion
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?
Search


5.0L General Discussion This section is for non-tech specific information pertaining to 5.0L Mustangs.

Welcome to Mustang Forums!
Welcome to Mustang Forums.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, at no cost, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!


Which 5spd to go with?

Reply
 
 
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 04-07-2011, 08:14 PM   #1
TWSTED
 
TWSTED's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Vehicle: '90 Mustang
Location: Canada
Posts: 5
Default Which 5spd to go with?

Im swapping out the automatic for a 5spd. I'm to be launching at high rpms too. The car is a '90 mustang, 351w, 4.10 gears, 26" tall rear tire and runs low 12's in the 1/4.

Looking at the TKO500, TKO600 and the G-force. Any one of these better for my application etc?

Thanks.
This ad is not displayed to registered or logged-in members.
Register your free account today and become a member on Mustang Forums!
__________________


351w, stock bottom end, pulls the front tires.. nuff said
TWSTED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2011, 09:10 PM   #2
sn95_331_GT_ yellow
5th Gear Member
 
sn95_331_GT_ yellow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Vehicle: 98 Bucket
Location: CT
Posts: 2,394
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=124700115
Default

TKO 600
__________________
1996 GTS 5spd 3060lbs
PI heads, COMP 270's, LT's, OR X, Bassani, 9.5lb aluminum flywheel, SPEC stg4 clutch, 4.10's, MGW, FRPP DS, 30#, 255lph, BBK 78mm TB, K&N, Weld fat n' skinnies, BFG DR's, power nothing, cage, 5 pts, Corbeau's, and some other stuff

sn95_331_GT_ yellow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2011, 09:14 PM   #3
TrimDrip
5th Gear Member
 
TrimDrip's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Vehicle: 93, ford, mustang lx
Location: AL
Posts: 2,674
Default

I have heard the 500 and 600 tkos won't shift at high rpm unless faceplated. Kinda has me on hold on a 500 local for sale.
TrimDrip is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2011, 09:54 PM   #4
sn95_331_GT_ yellow
5th Gear Member
 
sn95_331_GT_ yellow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Vehicle: 98 Bucket
Location: CT
Posts: 2,394
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=124700115
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TrimDrip View Post
I have heard the 500 and 600 tkos won't shift at high rpm unless faceplated. Kinda has me on hold on a 500 local for sale.
TKO 600RR (.82 OD) in my friends 98, we shift at 7200 all day long, but you HAVE to properly index the trans, and break it in for a while. it was a bit notchy at first, but now it goes from gear to gear like butter.

4th to 5th is absolute sex, 7200 down to 6100 sounds like a full blown SCCA Big Bore racecar.

1st to 2nd kinda bumps over a bit to the right, 2nd to 3rd is almost straight up so on and so forth.

id recommend one in a heartbeat
__________________
1996 GTS 5spd 3060lbs
PI heads, COMP 270's, LT's, OR X, Bassani, 9.5lb aluminum flywheel, SPEC stg4 clutch, 4.10's, MGW, FRPP DS, 30#, 255lph, BBK 78mm TB, K&N, Weld fat n' skinnies, BFG DR's, power nothing, cage, 5 pts, Corbeau's, and some other stuff

sn95_331_GT_ yellow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2011, 11:25 PM   #5
TWSTED
 
TWSTED's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Vehicle: '90 Mustang
Location: Canada
Posts: 5
Default

would there be any fitment issues with me having a 351 in the car?
__________________


351w, stock bottom end, pulls the front tires.. nuff said
TWSTED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2011, 11:46 PM   #6
sn95_331_GT_ yellow
5th Gear Member
 
sn95_331_GT_ yellow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Vehicle: 98 Bucket
Location: CT
Posts: 2,394
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=124700115
Default

351W=289=302=351C bolt pattern
__________________
1996 GTS 5spd 3060lbs
PI heads, COMP 270's, LT's, OR X, Bassani, 9.5lb aluminum flywheel, SPEC stg4 clutch, 4.10's, MGW, FRPP DS, 30#, 255lph, BBK 78mm TB, K&N, Weld fat n' skinnies, BFG DR's, power nothing, cage, 5 pts, Corbeau's, and some other stuff

sn95_331_GT_ yellow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2011, 11:51 PM   #7
TWSTED
 
TWSTED's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Vehicle: '90 Mustang
Location: Canada
Posts: 5
Default

No i meant with the size or shape of the trans/bellhousing. The starter barely squeezes in there right now with the C4 auto.
__________________


351w, stock bottom end, pulls the front tires.. nuff said
TWSTED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2011, 12:00 AM   #8
TrimDrip
5th Gear Member
 
TrimDrip's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Vehicle: 93, ford, mustang lx
Location: AL
Posts: 2,674
Default

It may not be an issue but, I would look at what it will do to the angle of the driveshaft and whether it will cause a vibration. I doubt it is any different than a 302 though.
TrimDrip is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2011, 12:30 AM   #9
sn95_331_GT_ yellow
5th Gear Member
 
sn95_331_GT_ yellow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Vehicle: 98 Bucket
Location: CT
Posts: 2,394
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=124700115
Default

its the same, the 302 and 351W are basically identical, the 351W is a little wider (very slightly) on the pan, and the deck is taller (8.2 vs 9.5), but otherwise itll bolt up just the same. autos are larger around that area anyways so going to the standard will give you a little more room.

make sure you measure the angle of the pinion on the rear and adjust the trans to match to quell any vibrations.

plus standards use a 157 tooth flywheel autos use 164 also so that is a little more room too.

make sure when you swap to a stick that you use a different compound slick, soft ones will just break things left and right. with a stick you want a little bit of slip off the line (harder compound) to take a lot of the shock out of the initial launch.
__________________
1996 GTS 5spd 3060lbs
PI heads, COMP 270's, LT's, OR X, Bassani, 9.5lb aluminum flywheel, SPEC stg4 clutch, 4.10's, MGW, FRPP DS, 30#, 255lph, BBK 78mm TB, K&N, Weld fat n' skinnies, BFG DR's, power nothing, cage, 5 pts, Corbeau's, and some other stuff

sn95_331_GT_ yellow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2011, 12:47 AM   #10
TWSTED
 
TWSTED's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Vehicle: '90 Mustang
Location: Canada
Posts: 5
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sn95_331_GT_ yellow View Post
its the same, the 302 and 351W are basically identical, the 351W is a little wider (very slightly) on the pan, and the deck is taller (8.2 vs 9.5), but otherwise itll bolt up just the same. autos are larger around that area anyways so going to the standard will give you a little more room.

make sure you measure the angle of the pinion on the rear and adjust the trans to match to quell any vibrations.

plus standards use a 157 tooth flywheel autos use 164 also so that is a little more room too.

make sure when you swap to a stick that you use a different compound slick, soft ones will just break things left and right. with a stick you want a little bit of slip off the line (harder compound) to take a lot of the shock out of the initial launch.
Thanks for all the info. and really for the tires? my friend runs 13.4 with his stock T5 dumping at 5500-6000rpm and hooking really well (lifts the left front tire with stock suspension) and it seems to hold up ok. he has aftermarket axles thats about it.

Would this really be a problem with a trans rated at 500ft lbs of torque and my car?
__________________


351w, stock bottom end, pulls the front tires.. nuff said
TWSTED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2011, 02:46 AM   #11
sn95_331_GT_ yellow
5th Gear Member
 
sn95_331_GT_ yellow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Vehicle: 98 Bucket
Location: CT
Posts: 2,394
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=124700115
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TWSTED View Post
Thanks for all the info. and really for the tires? my friend runs 13.4 with his stock T5 dumping at 5500-6000rpm and hooking really well (lifts the left front tire with stock suspension) and it seems to hold up ok. he has aftermarket axles thats about it.

Would this really be a problem with a trans rated at 500ft lbs of torque and my car?
first of all go with the TKO600

the trans and axles should be ok, but having a rear let go SUCKSSSSS
__________________
1996 GTS 5spd 3060lbs
PI heads, COMP 270's, LT's, OR X, Bassani, 9.5lb aluminum flywheel, SPEC stg4 clutch, 4.10's, MGW, FRPP DS, 30#, 255lph, BBK 78mm TB, K&N, Weld fat n' skinnies, BFG DR's, power nothing, cage, 5 pts, Corbeau's, and some other stuff

sn95_331_GT_ yellow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2011, 06:01 PM   #12
Tig
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Vehicle: 1990 LX Hatchback
Location: NC
Posts: 38
Default

Random question.
Why not go with a well built T5? You geta lightwieght tranny and from what Ihave read a very smooth shifting tranny.
I have been doing some research on doing an AOD to T5 swap and was wondering the same thing "which 5 speed to go with". I have found several T5s built to handle some extreme duty for the same price as some built TKO600s.
Just curious?
Thanks
Tig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2011, 09:28 PM   #13
5.0kid
5th Gear Member
 
5.0kid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Vehicle: 92 LX ALL MOTOR NIGHTMARE
Location: The mitten
Posts: 2,521
murse fuelslut92
Send a message via AIM to 5.0kid
Default

from personal experience id go with a tko 500 the 600 was nice and all but the first gear ratio was too tall for any type of drag racing or street racing. with 3.73's and a 27" tire i was at 37-40 mph before i had to shift. Car would bog on the line to no matter where i left in the rpm range. The 500 would have been much better for street racing or drag racing. If your just gonna dd it and get on it from rolls id go with the 600. Maybe look into a jerico if your gonna be racing it. Never had a shifting issue with my 600 and zoom stage 2 kevelar clutch shifted at 6500 every single time at the drag strip power shifting it and it never skipped, jammed, or missed.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Uratchko View Post
Big Block? Hell no, big blocks are for dump trucks.

Its all about the team and I've got a good one.
7.94 @ 171.09 3140lbs. Cast Intake, single four.

585ci texas prostock power
Uratchko Racing Engines
SLICK RICK HEADS
SKINNY KID RACE CARS.
5.0kid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2011, 09:30 PM   #14
5.0kid
5th Gear Member
 
5.0kid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Vehicle: 92 LX ALL MOTOR NIGHTMARE
Location: The mitten
Posts: 2,521
murse fuelslut92
Send a message via AIM to 5.0kid
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tig View Post
Random question.
Why not go with a well built T5? You geta lightwieght tranny and from what Ihave read a very smooth shifting tranny.
I have been doing some research on doing an AOD to T5 swap and was wondering the same thing "which 5 speed to go with". I have found several T5s built to handle some extreme duty for the same price as some built TKO600s.
Just curious?
Thanks
They claim to be stronger but in the end the design of the gear cluster and shafts is where the weak link is.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Uratchko View Post
Big Block? Hell no, big blocks are for dump trucks.

Its all about the team and I've got a good one.
7.94 @ 171.09 3140lbs. Cast Intake, single four.

585ci texas prostock power
Uratchko Racing Engines
SLICK RICK HEADS
SKINNY KID RACE CARS.
5.0kid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2011, 10:46 PM   #15
mjr46
D.R. THE PATHETIC DORK
 
mjr46's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Vehicle: 85 mustang
Location: West Virginia
Posts: 30,305
Default

it doesn't matter what they are rated to, it's how hard you drive them.......I have pics of a t-5 of mine that failed under load, just cause one gets away with it doesn't mean another will, I've gernaded t-5's and rear with high rpm launches before on a basically stock 5.0 that ran mid 13's
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by EUTARD View Post
Suggest having a conversation with the highly INEXPERIENCED clowns....D.R the Dork, THE BarnyYard smells like......again and finally staring the highly intelligent and I must say skilled Eutard! UH where did de' go George
mjr46 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2011, 10:58 PM   #16
sn95_331_GT_ yellow
5th Gear Member
 
sn95_331_GT_ yellow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Vehicle: 98 Bucket
Location: CT
Posts: 2,394
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=124700115
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tig View Post
Random question.
Why not go with a well built T5? You geta lightwieght tranny and from what Ihave read a very smooth shifting tranny.
I have been doing some research on doing an AOD to T5 swap and was wondering the same thing "which 5 speed to go with". I have found several T5s built to handle some extreme duty for the same price as some built TKO600s.
Just curious?
Thanks
T5's make great road race trannies because they have small internals and kept the weight down, but go drop the clutch on a 347 with slicks at 6000rpm and let me know what the inside of it looks like...

drag duty/heavy duty anything = TKO 600, T56 magnum

road race/street car with no slicks = built T5
__________________
1996 GTS 5spd 3060lbs
PI heads, COMP 270's, LT's, OR X, Bassani, 9.5lb aluminum flywheel, SPEC stg4 clutch, 4.10's, MGW, FRPP DS, 30#, 255lph, BBK 78mm TB, K&N, Weld fat n' skinnies, BFG DR's, power nothing, cage, 5 pts, Corbeau's, and some other stuff

sn95_331_GT_ yellow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2011, 02:24 AM   #17
Dj_Seph
4th Gear Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Vehicle: 1987 Ford Mustang GT
Location: Arizona
Posts: 1,127
Default

****. I roadrace and still wouldn't trust a t5 to last me a run. I've grenaded about 3 so far.
Dj_Seph is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2011, 04:37 PM   #18
Tig
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Vehicle: 1990 LX Hatchback
Location: NC
Posts: 38
Default

I'll probably not be drag racing it, maybe once or twice a year IF that.
This will be my DDer and street driving is what its going to be seeing. At the moment its stock besides shorty headers, cat-back and K&N kit. I have pullies that I'll be putting on soon to.

So, a built T5 say with G-Force case and complete gear set. G-Force gears are considerably larger than stock. That wont handle any serious power?

I wish I could find a used TKO500 for the price of a used T5, hah.

Thanks guys, I appreciate the info.
Tig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2011, 05:32 PM   #19
kweb288
5th Gear Member
 
kweb288's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Vehicle: 1992, hatch
Location: St. Charles Il, and ISU
Posts: 3,728
Default

DEF have to index the 500/600, otherwise you will have the problem of shifting (i did) Other then that they are great transmission! i loved my 600
__________________
04 cobra engine (with pulley), TH400, Glenns performance fuel system, team z suspension, 10 point wolf craft roll cage, and much much more
kweb288 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2011, 09:03 PM   #20
Tig
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Vehicle: 1990 LX Hatchback
Location: NC
Posts: 38
Default

What do you mean index?
How do you index?

Thanks
Tig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2011, 09:03 PM
MustangForums
Ford Mustang




Paid Advertisement

 
 
 
Reply

Tags
4000, 600, 90, install, mustang, rpms, stalls, tko

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Forum Jump

Advertising

Featured Sponsors
Vendor Directory
New Sponsors
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:35 PM.

© Internet Brands, Inc.


This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. Ford® is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company
Emails Backup