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mowenski 11-03-2010 12:07 AM

2011 5.0 Rough Manual Shift
 
Hi,

I have noticed on occasion when shifting from 1st to 2nd a rough shift (like the syncro didn't do it's job) and this is at ~2000 rpm just loafing along. This seems to be most noticeable on the 1st shift when leaving the garage. Later, it is better and shifts normally (quiet) but still may 'clunk' some times but less often. I have about 4000 miles now and this issue has been around awhile. I took it to Ford and the technician claims it is normal and will get better as the clearances 'wear in'. Thoughts?

FWP! 11-03-2010 09:24 AM

I've posted about this a few times before in other threads. Mine does the same thing. Easiest way to explain it, is that the transmission is tempermental. Or very picky. It will ONLY go into 2nd for me if I happen to be at the right RPM's, I'm shifting from 1st into 2nd at a certain speed, and I'm putting a certain amount of pressure on the shifter as it goes into gear. 90% of the time I'll feel the shifter buck in my hand as it quietly grinds into gear. 2nd is the only gear that does this, too. Even my g/f notices if the radio is off and you can just barely hear it inside the car with the windows up.

3rd gear does it, but only if I'm WOT rowing through the gears. It'll grind no matter what I do, and it's only of those high pitched BEEEE for a split second, I'll hear the sound reflecting off cement walls next to me as I get on the highway, or buildings.

mowenski 11-03-2010 10:28 AM

Do you think this problem needs to be checked out or is it just a tranny personality I need to get used to?

chain1 11-03-2010 10:46 AM

I have the same thing when the car is cold. Only really happens on my first 1-2 shift of the day then it's fine. I'm not worried about it.

cold12pk 11-03-2010 11:18 AM

My car has the "notchy" shifting when cold...this is normal. But I just started having a bad "grind" when shifting into 5th gear. Just 5th, all other shifts are ok.
Already had a scheduled dealer appointment for the sticking clutch TSB yesterday. They drove car after completing the work and could not replicate the 5th gear grinding. Picked up car and it shifted good for about 10 miles and then started grinding again. Definately not normal!
Back in the shop today...I will post back when I get an update.
I have alway's avoided the first year car / drivetrain buying, but couldn't resist this time. Hopefully it will get worked out.

KXRM 11-03-2010 03:21 PM

Yea I will echo this, the shift from 1st to 2nd is temperamental when cold but I haven't been concerned with it. All other gears shift like a hot knife through butter for me. This happens with both aggressive and granny shifting.

MrSandman 11-03-2010 03:39 PM

me too. a hard to find sweet spot and the cold weather is making it more noticeable for me. Shifts just fine when warmed up a little. Also occasionally happens to me when shifting into first at a stop light (after I stop completely).

thezfunk 11-03-2010 03:42 PM

Shifting from 1 to 2 is an issue for me as well. I have had similar issues with other cars and a good fluid has corrected it. I have used Redline or Amsoil in the past. Just might have to order some and have the fluid changed out and see where that leaves us. Although, mine will be going to winter nap time soon so I might wait until spring.

hcrisler 11-03-2010 04:08 PM

Ok guys. The coyote 5.0 is new, this means the drivetrain, as well as all of the other parts are subject to have first year problems just like every other domestic model released. Ford will stand behind their product and most likely issue a recall if the problem continues to be widespread.

MrSandman 11-03-2010 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hcrisler (Post 7273595)
Ok guys. The coyote 5.0 is new, this means the drivetrain, as well as all of the other parts are subject to have first year problems just like every other domestic model released. Ford will stand behind their product and most likely issue a recall if the problem continues to be widespread.

It's really not that big a deal.

Falcon Fixer 11-05-2010 06:27 PM

My trans SUCKS.
Before next summer it will be a lawn ornament.

JIM5.0 11-05-2010 09:00 PM

My MT82 will shift 1st to 2nd fine, if I ride the clutch and let the clutch slip. If I am not letting it slip, it will engage very fast (typical of a Ford clutch) and my car will begin to buck from the sudden engine torque jolting the drivetrain.

From 2nd to 3rd, I notice the same thing the OP experiences. I have to jam it into 3rd gear position pretty hard sometimes. Luckily, I have not gotten any grind from doing so, but it seem like it's hard to get into 3rd, as if I am not stepping on the clutch and I am locked out.

Since I have never heard of the MT82 before, it could be a 1st year growing pain. But I am seeing mixed problems all over the net. Some people have some problems, and my problems with mine are not 100% the same as other people with MT82's.

Ford should have just stuck with Tremec and asked them to upgrade the T3650 or put in a T56 into the 2011 GT's.

95PreludeSi 11-08-2010 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mowenski (Post 7272630)
Hi,

I have noticed on occasion when shifting from 1st to 2nd a rough shift (like the syncro didn't do it's job) and this is at ~2000 rpm just loafing along. This seems to be most noticeable on the 1st shift when leaving the garage. Later, it is better and shifts normally (quiet) but still may 'clunk' some times but less often. I have about 4000 miles now and this issue has been around awhile. I took it to Ford and the technician claims it is normal and will get better as the clearances 'wear in'. Thoughts?

Yep, same here. Started around 4k, and I'm almost to 5k now. 1st to 2nd can be pretty bad. It gets better as it warms up, but isn't always perfect once up to temp. Strangest thing is it is buttery smooth for me if I'm at WOT and doing high RPM shifts.

I've considered a fluid changes as others mentioned, but the thing is brand new. I haven't taken it in yet, as I figure I'd get the same BS response as you did.

cold12pk 11-10-2010 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cold12pk (Post 7273106)
My car has the "notchy" shifting when cold...this is normal. But I just started having a bad "grind" when shifting into 5th gear. Just 5th, all other shifts are ok.
Already had a scheduled dealer appointment for the sticking clutch TSB yesterday. They drove car after completing the work and could not replicate the 5th gear grinding. Picked up car and it shifted good for about 10 miles and then started grinding again. Definately not normal!
Back in the shop today...I will post back when I get an update.
I have alway's avoided the first year car / drivetrain buying, but couldn't resist this time. Hopefully it will get worked out.

Update on my 5th gear grinding. Shop was able to replicate the grinding issue and then contacted Ford...they were instructed to remove and repair the transmission. I was hoping they would just replace it with a new one. I'm sure they will eventually get it right.
This is my first major issue with a new car...frustrating!!!

lawman1 11-11-2010 12:03 AM

I have the bad first to second shift. Told by Ford mechanic that it is because of the skip shift feature. We should try to eliminate it and see what happens. I'm calling Brenspeed tomorrow to finally get that feature eliminated.

Rejeme 11-12-2010 11:31 AM

Question, if it is the clutch, why do the trannies feel notchy when rowing through the gears with the car off. Shouldn't it be buttery smooth. Try going through your gears with the car off. I think you can replicate the feeling a lot of people are getting. Sometimes its smooth, sometimes not. Just seems to be how the sychros line up. If your shifting with the car off and its smooth OR notchie, try rocking the car a little and try again. I bet it feels different. I think its just the way the tranny feels, not the clutch. However, I guess this is a different issue from those with bad pedal assemblies or sheared clutch alignment pins/backed out bolts Its notchie, just like every other performance car I've owned (90 GT 5.0, 95 5.0 GT, 05 SRT4).

Meester_Vapor 11-23-2010 12:17 AM

Seems to be the most recent thread on the issue....so instead of starting my own.

It's been about 30 degrees here in the morning, and the shifts to 2nd, 3rd, and 4th have been unusually "toothy".

2nd will grind, 3rd and 4th are very rough.

Apparently the new Mustangs don't like the cold. Pony need a blanket?

Any updates from the people that have approached dealers yet? I have a dealer that I think will work with me, but sometimes knowing what to say before going in is best.

JIM5.0 11-23-2010 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by lawman1 (Post 7285190)
I have the bad first to second shift. Told by Ford mechanic that it is because of the skip shift feature. We should try to eliminate it and see what happens. I'm calling Brenspeed tomorrow to finally get that feature eliminated.

The car's adaptive learning will actually eventually allow you to shift into 2nd gear even under skipshift conditions. At least that is my thought. I now have no resistance whatsoever even in skipshift conditions.

However, I do notice resistance when shifting to 2nd and sometimes even third even when NOT in skipshift conditions.

mowenski 11-23-2010 09:01 AM

Cold Minnesota winter coming, putting the 5.0 in hibernation for the winter. 1st -> 2nd gear rough shifts are definitely more noticeable when outside temp is in the 20's but seem to improve as things 'warm up'. Let's keep an eye on this as a group and inform the service centers of this concern.

sugarprobe 11-23-2010 09:48 AM

The T6060 that was in my Challenger was crazy notchy when cold. This seems to be about half of what the RT was. Although I haven't put a 1000 kms on it yet and will be stored for winter I'm confident that it's due to it being a more robust trany compared to a less HO car like the V6 stang. The T6060 was noted in the owners manual that it would whine some in normal conditions and be stiff/notchy in cold and not to worry as this was do to the high performance aspect of it.


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