2012 5.0 #8 failure?
07-15-2011, 10:19 PM
#12
The Paranoid One
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 5,320
Yup it was. He did change his story a good amount of times.
He also claimed Ford had a video of him racing and he claims it was of a different car.
He also claims they have him "talking" to someone about a laptop problem and he said that was before a tune. Which seems he just busted himself admitting he did have a tune.. lol.
Furthermore.. I don't see why Ford would put up evidence of a different car. Seems like they would make sure there evidence was legit.
He must have a lawyer already if he claims Ford has evidence against him, because there's no way Ford would tell him about that before a lawyer. At least MOST people would not divulge evidence so that people would have time to gather a rebuttal even before having a lawyer.
MOST of his story could be B.S.
I don't know why he would lie instead of just trying to rely on the Mag act to
build his case on. That is just STUPID. The mag act would be his real weapon. Lying just hurts his case.
Now again the question is did that tune actually cause the failure.
But also again his lies would NOT help his case.
This guy went about this the WRONG way. I can tell you that for sure.
He also claimed Ford had a video of him racing and he claims it was of a different car.
He also claims they have him "talking" to someone about a laptop problem and he said that was before a tune. Which seems he just busted himself admitting he did have a tune.. lol.
Furthermore.. I don't see why Ford would put up evidence of a different car. Seems like they would make sure there evidence was legit.
He must have a lawyer already if he claims Ford has evidence against him, because there's no way Ford would tell him about that before a lawyer. At least MOST people would not divulge evidence so that people would have time to gather a rebuttal even before having a lawyer.
MOST of his story could be B.S.
I don't know why he would lie instead of just trying to rely on the Mag act to
build his case on. That is just STUPID. The mag act would be his real weapon. Lying just hurts his case.
Now again the question is did that tune actually cause the failure.
But also again his lies would NOT help his case.
This guy went about this the WRONG way. I can tell you that for sure.
07-16-2011, 10:31 AM
#13
1st Gear Member
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: MO
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Me and my car are "black flagged" in the system.
07-19-2011, 06:10 AM
#14
1st Gear Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Texas
Posts: 119
I talked with Brnespeed regarding my Stage-1 Kit, and they had vaugly heard of two potential instances, one with a stock motor and one modded ( I do not believe by them). Both were eventually covered under warranty, but no specifics were available. My sense after the conversation with them is that they are not considering releasing a milder tune until any evidence points to the mod as the problem. Ford is attempting to cast blame in that direction, but there is no evidence, according to Brenspeed, for that claim. Until there is, it is business as usual.
They are still running their two test mules with 93 race tunes, and so am I with zero issues. I drive my cay like I hate it, with zero problems @ 7,000 miles. Not a drop of oil usage, nothing. I am continuing with the race tune, although I am careful to stay with Chevron from a reputable branded station.
They did say if you are losing sleep over it, load the 87 tune & forget about it. Otherwise, accept the fact that modded cares have a bit of risk associated with the fun.
They are still running their two test mules with 93 race tunes, and so am I with zero issues. I drive my cay like I hate it, with zero problems @ 7,000 miles. Not a drop of oil usage, nothing. I am continuing with the race tune, although I am careful to stay with Chevron from a reputable branded station.
They did say if you are losing sleep over it, load the 87 tune & forget about it. Otherwise, accept the fact that modded cares have a bit of risk associated with the fun.
07-19-2011, 09:10 AM
#15
2nd Gear Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Maryland
Posts: 380
The problem with taking issues like this to court, is that it would be a Ford engineer and lawyer vs. you (and possibly your lawyer). The burden of proof unfortunately ends up falling on you, as look at it this way:
As an unbiased judge, who's story are you going to believe? The engineer who brings all kinds of data to back up their claim of failure (data which may not even be relevant, sadly - I've seen far too many engineers claiming air filters cause a swirling effect to the air which causes lean conditions...), or some random consumer who modified his vehicle?
As an unbiased judge, who's story are you going to believe? The engineer who brings all kinds of data to back up their claim of failure (data which may not even be relevant, sadly - I've seen far too many engineers claiming air filters cause a swirling effect to the air which causes lean conditions...), or some random consumer who modified his vehicle?
07-19-2011, 02:14 PM
#16
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: CA
Posts: 423
I don't think a lawyer would even take a customer's case in this situation. The amount of research needed for $5k - $6k of motor work? You would probably end up paying more for the lawyer than the dealer work.
07-19-2011, 02:29 PM
#17
Gentleman's Relish
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: AZ
Posts: 13,090
Personally...Just my opinion but people with really elaborate stories that post on the internet and then disappear are Trolls.
Jmatero comes to mind with his issue about the Ford Tranny problems he was having and about setting up an ABC 20/20 thing. I did a search for him on the interweb and he is registered in everything from Dodge forums, Chevy forums, VW forums, and others. Never has more than a handful of posts, then disappears. Probably diggin in the forums to find an issue then makes up a story to get the board riled up.
That in my eyes made him lose total credability.
Further research and the guy is/was en engineer in California so he's probably looking for a payday or to make a name for himself.
I posted some very specific and simple questions in his thread a couple of times about his info and proof and he never replied to me. Everyone else who was up-in-arms he was more than happy to elaborate further. Zero credibility.
Jmatero comes to mind with his issue about the Ford Tranny problems he was having and about setting up an ABC 20/20 thing. I did a search for him on the interweb and he is registered in everything from Dodge forums, Chevy forums, VW forums, and others. Never has more than a handful of posts, then disappears. Probably diggin in the forums to find an issue then makes up a story to get the board riled up.
That in my eyes made him lose total credability.
Further research and the guy is/was en engineer in California so he's probably looking for a payday or to make a name for himself.
I posted some very specific and simple questions in his thread a couple of times about his info and proof and he never replied to me. Everyone else who was up-in-arms he was more than happy to elaborate further. Zero credibility.
07-19-2011, 03:25 PM
#18
5th Gear Member
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: ATL
Posts: 2,955
Personally...Just my opinion but people with really elaborate stories that post on the internet and then disappear are Trolls.
Jmatero comes to mind with his issue about the Ford Tranny problems he was having and about setting up an ABC 20/20 thing. I did a search for him on the interweb and he is registered in everything from Dodge forums, Chevy forums, VW forums, and others. Never has more than a handful of posts, then disappears. Probably diggin in the forums to find an issue then makes up a story to get the board riled up.
That in my eyes made him lose total credability.
Further research and the guy is/was en engineer in California so he's probably looking for a payday or to make a name for himself.
I posted some very specific and simple questions in his thread a couple of times about his info and proof and he never replied to me. Everyone else who was up-in-arms he was more than happy to elaborate further. Zero credibility.
Jmatero comes to mind with his issue about the Ford Tranny problems he was having and about setting up an ABC 20/20 thing. I did a search for him on the interweb and he is registered in everything from Dodge forums, Chevy forums, VW forums, and others. Never has more than a handful of posts, then disappears. Probably diggin in the forums to find an issue then makes up a story to get the board riled up.
That in my eyes made him lose total credability.
Further research and the guy is/was en engineer in California so he's probably looking for a payday or to make a name for himself.
I posted some very specific and simple questions in his thread a couple of times about his info and proof and he never replied to me. Everyone else who was up-in-arms he was more than happy to elaborate further. Zero credibility.
Jmatero Google search
07-20-2011, 10:14 PM
#19
2nd Gear Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Maryland
Posts: 380
Are you guys serious? I'm a member of 8+ different car forums, easily. I've owned many different makes and models, and even signed up to browse forums of cars I was considering buying, not just one's I owned.
Making such strong assumptions with such little proof is silly.
Making such strong assumptions with such little proof is silly.
07-20-2011, 11:14 PM
#20
Are you guys serious? I'm a member of 8+ different car forums, easily. I've owned many different makes and models, and even signed up to browse forums of cars I was considering buying, not just one's I owned.
Making such strong assumptions with such little proof is silly.
Making such strong assumptions with such little proof is silly.
