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Another #8 Cylinder Issue?? Need HELP

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Old 02-28-2012, 09:59 AM   #21
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Good luck, I sure hope it all works out! I am keeping up with this thread for sure.
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Old 02-28-2012, 10:32 AM   #22
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JMHO, but don't be driving it or motoring the engine until you know what is wrong. You don't want turn something minor into a major overhaul.

It could be the spark plug insulators blown apart, electrode damaged, head gasket blown, and numerous other less sever damage that may be an inexpensive fix. Hopefully, you have not trashed the cylinder wall, piston, valves or anything else too bad.

I would want to know what is wrong, before I take it to the dealership.

Some of the things I would do before I take it to ford is:

1) do some physical diagnostics. ensure everything is correctly connected
2) pull the plug to the #8 and see if it is damaged/burned/big gap etc....
3) look in the cylinder with a bore scope and try to see if there is physical damage.
4) check compression on suspect cylinder
5) if I can't find out exactly what is wrong, I get an independent shop to troubleshoot it. Maybe they can find something minor that is wrong.

I would try to diagnose what is wrong before the Ford dealership .

Also, if you know what is wrong with it and then take it to the dealership, maybe you will have some luck with a warranty claim if sounds like you know what you are talking about.

I wish you the best of luck
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Old 02-28-2012, 10:38 AM   #23
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Prayers going out to you brother..that would make me sick. I agree brenspeed has a solid reputation. I run the 93 race in mine. Had it for 4500 miles no issues. I agree with a previous post the 05-10 tuned cars had no problems at all now all of a sudden with 11-12 there are issues. Ford will hide behind the problem because they can..they can always claim it was the tune..
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Old 02-28-2012, 10:40 AM   #24
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When you were running the tune before it went did you noticr any pinging or anything at the upper rpm range?
No pinging, I have been running the 93 race tune for 12 months with no issues. About 40 miles of highway before getting the light, I had two 4th gear roll-ons with another mustang, but there was no abuse and no over-revving, and the car pulled strong and sounded great. (That was a humiliating event; the guy came around me like I was sitting still with twin turbos and 700+ RWHP on a 2004 Cobra). 40 calm highway miles later, I had no light. It was not until I reached my destination and hit stop & go traffic that the light came on. Car sounded fine with no smoke, and no discernable loss of power.
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Wow this sucks, I just bought some axle backs and was pretty hell bent on buying a CAI and a tune next month but it seems like one of these pop up every couple of months. Good luck and I'm sure that this thread will be followed by many.
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Wow this sucks, I just bought some axle backs and was pretty hell bent on buying a CAI and a tune next month but it seems like one of these pop up every couple of months. Good luck and I'm sure that this thread will be followed by many.
Me too. Just about to order from steeda last nite and started reading this thread. Been debating b/w brenspeed and steeda but it seems that something in these motors that just don't like being tuned. Not sure if I'm willing to chance take the chance. And steeda has never had a #8 cyclinder pop with their tunes. Gonna think about this some more.
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Old 02-28-2012, 12:44 PM   #28
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Steeda also doesn't sell many tunes compared to brenspeed and BAMA. figure brenspeed probably has a 1 in 1,000 issue on their hands (i'm not sure how many cars they've tuned for in the 2011+5.0s). BAMA offers a warranty so if this does happen they'll pay to fix it if ford denies warranty. I'd get BAMA and not look back or worry.

At this point if OP had a bama tune, he'd just let bama know, then take it into the dealership to see whats wrong. If they refuse to warranty it then he'd use the bama warranty.. none of this chaning out mods, taking it to other people and paying others... If it was an option for me I'd be using BAMA right now, but I can't get the warranty because i've had SCT and BBR tunes before they offered it.
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Old 02-28-2012, 12:49 PM   #29
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Seriously guys, I know it makes you worry, but there are thousands of cars out there running tunes, just because a handful of people have been unlucky, it shouldn't change your mind on whether or not to tune your own vehicle.

Whats it going to take, the thousands of people out there to start threads saying that their car is running fine?

Yea its disturbing and makes you second think tuning your car, but it wont stop me from putting my JLT CAI and BAMA tune on my car when the weather gets nicer here.

I have the BAMA warranty for my piece of mind.
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I too have Bama, and am glad I do especially with their warranty on #8 cylinder.
Don't get me wrong, Brenspeed is also a reputable tuner, and I have 100% faith that Steeda is just as good.
I just prefer the AM & Bama guaranty. I am close to buying some more tunes for some octanes I do not have yet, and Bama is my next stop.

Regardless, OP, my hopes and prayers do go out to you, a car over $30,000 is not cheap to fix. And it is a total kick in the ***** when your pride and joy is damaged.
Good luck to you, regardless of the outcome.
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Seriously guys, I know it makes you worry, but there are thousands of cars out there running tunes, just because a handful of people have been unlucky, it shouldn't change your mind on whether or not to tune your own vehicle.

Whats it going to take, the thousands of people out there to start threads saying that their car is running fine?

Yea its disturbing and makes you second think tuning your car, but it wont stop me from putting my JLT CAI and BAMA tune on my car when the weather gets nicer here.

I have the BAMA warranty for my piece of mind.
I agree. The failure rate is very small. That shouldn't discourage anyone from modding their car if they like. But if you are uncomfortable I guess you have to do what is best for you. Me dump the clutch chase the red line and don't look back. If it breaks it breaks. I bought this mustang because I love to drive and I love performance. Otherwise I would have bought an accord or something.
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Just taking extra time making sure I'm good with the risk. I normally buy everything on impulse and dont look back. But gotta new house to buy and don't need to be dropping $4500 on new motor if it goes pop. Car used to be first priority but i ain't getting any younger and want a house
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If you follow the flow chart in the TSB, you will see that if you change the "hardware" (i.e. air box, etc.) back to stock, and the "software" (i.e. the tune) back to stock and do not do a complete drive cycle, Ford will automatically assume you were running a tune before you brought it in and have reflashed it. A reflash or disconnecting the battery does the same thing, it resets your emissions monitors to a "not ready" status (and will store a P1000 DTC) Do a complete drive cycle first and check that your monitors are all "ready", and once they are, you are all set and no one will be the wiser
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If you follow the flow chart in the TSB, you will see that if you change the "hardware" (i.e. air box, etc.) back to stock, and the "software" (i.e. the tune) back to stock and do not do a complete drive cycle, Ford will automatically assume you were running a tune before you brought it in and have reflashed it. A reflash or disconnecting the battery does the same thing, it resets your emissions monitors to a "not ready" status (and will store a P1000 DTC) Do a complete drive cycle first and check that your monitors are all "ready", and once they are, you are all set and no one will be the wiser
Could you define a complete drive cycle? I'm still somewhat of a car noob so I'd really appreciate the info!
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If you follow the flow chart in the TSB, you will see that if you change the "hardware" (i.e. air box, etc.) back to stock, and the "software" (i.e. the tune) back to stock and do not do a complete drive cycle, Ford will automatically assume you were running a tune before you brought it in and have reflashed it. A reflash or disconnecting the battery does the same thing, it resets your emissions monitors to a "not ready" status (and will store a P1000 DTC) Do a complete drive cycle first and check that your monitors are all "ready", and once they are, you are all set and no one will be the wiser
This worked on my 08 everytime. Ford just thought that my battery died. That was the good thing about the xcal2 in the way it flashed the pcm. Think the 11-12's are different and if the #8 pops the dealer sends the pcmc to Ford and they check it.
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There is a sticky about the reflashing and what the dealer and ford can see, basically if you return to stock all they can see is the time it was returned to stock, it looks like a dead battery, as for tunes I have over10,000 miles on my c&L cai, axle backs, and tune, also if you do the research in the sticky section there have only been 4 recorded failures of the #8 .. Thats it, every builder out there says its really hard to hurt one of these engines, na...
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@jpplaw No, on the 11+ they can always see the number of times the ECU has been flashed. (tunes loaded) if the number is > 1 you are hosed for that issue. There have been multiple people denied warranty from it. The dealership told them everything checked out (because it had a stock calibration) and they did the engine tear down then Ford requests the ECU(or PCM) before they will approve the warranty claim and then Ford says denied! So dealership comes back and says sorry dude, $4,000.

@fordplay I think I've found up to 6 different claims last year around august, so im not sure how many new ones have popped up since then. i'd bet it's getting close to 8 or 9 now from what i've read. I dont feel like scouring all of the forums again. Failure rate is low enough I can't worry about it since i know hundreds of people are active on the forums with tunes and thousands have tunes and would post if they had an issue.
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I'm pretty sure it's much more than 8 or 9. Between all of the forums I've been on i'd say it's around 6-9 people. There are also the folks who do not post. For example my co-worker's neighbor, an older guy, bought the sct canned tune direct from them #8 popped. However, it was covered by ford. This was before the sh$t hit the fan with all the failures. My point is that guy has no clue about any of these forums, he never posted but he had a failure.
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After reading a lot and understanding it pays to play. And I'm ok with the risk. Just ordered the steeda Cai and sct3 tuner with steeda tunes and their cam idle tune. Should be on car Monday. Can't wait. Failure rate is low and steeda hasn't had a #8 issue yet. Can't wait.
Still want to know how and what u find out about ur car op.
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Shoeys08, you can't go wrong with steeda. Personally I would go with steeda or BBR, both very thorough and conservative while making power. Plus neither of them have had any failures.
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