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Old 05-12-2012, 01:23 AM   #1
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I drive the car everyday, and usually get into quite a bit of traffic... Would it still be worth it to convert to a 6-speed?? If you have the time pros & cons from drivers of either would be Godsent, thanks!
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Old 05-12-2012, 08:56 PM   #2
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When you say convert to a six speed, do you mean manual or automatic? They're both six speeds.

The only time I ever think about an automatic is when I want to use the cupholders, and that thought is usually drowned out by why the heck are the cup holders here?
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Old 05-13-2012, 04:04 AM   #3
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Old 05-13-2012, 05:45 AM   #4
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Both have their pro's and con's, but personally I prefer manual because it's fun to bang gears. Yes it sucks when it comes to traffic, but it's worth it....
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Old 05-13-2012, 05:49 PM   #5
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If you already have the car it will be easier to trade it in than swap the transmissions.
Manual Pros, more transmitted power, easier to work on and diagnose, more fun for road courses
Cons, traffic, hills, pretty much what makes it fun is also what makes it cumbersome
Automatic Pros, traffic, consistent drag launches, no missed shifts, no reported reliability issues
Cons, kickdown delay, no emergency hill starts, less control during track driving, lets the wife drive the car....
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Old 05-13-2012, 05:50 PM   #6
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Manual only for me and the wife. Hell, even our PT cruiser has a manual. Nothing compares with the pleasure of shifting your own gears.
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Old 05-13-2012, 06:25 PM   #7
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I would have agree with above. Manual puts the driver in full control. The con with you being in a high traffic area (I am from Houston I understand it) is going to be the wear on the clutch. I learned pretty quickly that you either have it pushed in or popped out, none of this in-between garbage. Oh a side bonus pro = Strong left leg =)

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Old 05-13-2012, 06:30 PM   #8
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I have to deal with stop and go traffic everyday on my way to work. I drive a manual and while pushing the clutch 100 times a day isn't pleasant, I wouldn't trade it for an automatic any day. Hitting second hard after a red light on the way to work is an awesome way to start the day!
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Car has enough torque and wide enough powerband that on most freeways with stop-and-go traffic you should just be able to remain in a given gear without having to clutch in and out so much. My M3 had very little relative torque and I could putt around in second and third easily, same with my friend's Z06, which has mountains of torque. In my wife's Focus with the 6-spd DCT, first thing I do when we hit traffic is put it in manual mode anyway. Manual all day.
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Doesn't the 13 have a paddle shifter on the auto? Seems like best of both worlds. Get a '13
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Doesn't the 13 have a paddle shifter on the auto? Seems like best of both worlds. Get a '13
No, it doesn't. It has the same goofy sort of rocker switch on the gear selector that the Focus has in its DCT. Difference being that the Focus is an actual DCT, while the Mustang's trans is a true automatic with wet clutch, etc.
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Even still, paddle shifters or the goofy rocker switch will NEVER compare to having to mash the clutch and rip the gear shifter into whatever gear you're going to. My opinion... a sports car isn't a sports car if it shifts on its own. I've missed gears flying down the track and it sucks... but I'd rather miss gears than to let my car do what I should be doing. There's very little skill in driving an automatic car down a drag strip... unless you're running something that has a wheelie bar and a parachute behind it... get the 6 speed, and get 3.73 gears you'll love it!
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Even still, paddle shifters or the goofy rocker switch will NEVER compare to having to mash the clutch and rip the gear shifter into whatever gear you're going to. My opinion... a sports car isn't a sports car if it shifts on its own. I've missed gears flying down the track and it sucks... but I'd rather miss gears than to let my car do what I should be doing. There's very little skill in driving an automatic car down a drag strip... unless you're running something that has a wheelie bar and a parachute behind it... get the 6 speed, and get 3.73 gears you'll love it!
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I agree that a manual is more fun. But I just bought a 2013 GT/CS Deep Impact Blue and it is an auto. I will however NOT agree that it is any less a sport car or muslce car. Not everyone is up to shifting, knees working, or for that matter, want that much work. Yet I still feel it is a muscle car, 420 hp is 420 hp , auto or manual. It is quick, corners just as good, and gets all the looks for others.

My Stang is a daily driver and I enjoy the hell out of it.
I say if your not sure which you would like, drive both and understand that is how it is going to be for the next few years.

JUST Get a Mustang, V8/V6, manul/auto,,,,you will enjoy it tremendously.
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I agree that a manual is more fun. But I just bought a 2013 GT/CS Deep Impact Blue and it is an auto. I will however NOT agree that it is any less a sport car or muslce car. Not everyone is up to shifting, knees working, or for that matter, want that much work. Yet I still feel it is a muscle car, 420 hp is 420 hp , auto or manual. It is quick, corners just as good, and gets all the looks for others.

My Stang is a daily driver and I enjoy the hell out of it.
I say if your not sure which you would like, drive both and understand that is how it is going to be for the next few years.

JUST Get a Mustang, V8/V6, manul/auto,,,,you will enjoy it tremendously.
Do you like the manual shift feature?
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I would have agree with above. Manual puts the driver in full control. The con with you being in a high traffic area (I am from Houston I understand it) is going to be the wear on the clutch. I learned pretty quickly that you either have it pushed in or popped out, none of this in-between garbage. Oh a side bonus pro = Strong left leg =)

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I would normally agree with this sentiment, but this damned 1-4 Skip shift in my 2012 is a real PITA... I wish it were disabled when you disabled the Advancetrac.

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Old 05-16-2012, 12:52 AM   #18
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it would be a complete waste of money to go from an automatic to a manual. one reason is onederful's post. The autos in these cars are STRONG, holding 1000whp for pass after pass, tons are in the 9s, and atleast that one made 8s. it's a $1200 option so you already paid quite a bit for that. you'd be better off selling the car and buying a manual.

for traffic and ease of driving automatic is the way to go, also nearly every fast car at my track is an automatic. Today manuals are for people who think they have something to prove. automatics and especially paddle shifting or the manual autos are the way to go. just look at the GTR. it is a completely different transmission but it's the future, and it's no coincidence that all the fastest modded 5.0s i've seen in the 1/4 mod for mod are autos.
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The only reason autos are faster is because a computer can shift the car faster than a human. And 420HP is NO where close to what you're getting in an automatic. You'd be lucky to see 350-360 RWHP coming out of a stock automatic GT. I think I've seen dyno pulls of a manual GT pulling around 380 RWHP stock.
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my 07 is manual, but i occasionally drive my dads 08 auto GT.
so i have driven both quite often. they are 4.6 and not 5.0, but close enough for this comparison.

i like the manual bc i have control of it in different circumstances.
but my dads auto with the performance or race tune, or even the street tune, the shifts are more firm and it now chirps 3rd gear, it didn't do that before.
the low end torque is way better, and the throttle lag is just about gone.
in your sig i didn't notice a tune.
for the auto, the tune makes a huge difference in how it responds with the throttle and how it shifts.
before the tune, my dads GT felt sluggish. with the tune, its fun to drive.

before you go swapping trannys, get a CAI and a tune and see how that is first.
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