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Lund Racing VS Bama - My 5.0 Tuning Experience

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Old 05-12-2012, 01:27 PM   #1
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First I want to say, yes this is kind of long. I type really fast and I'm sorry lol. Just wanted to give my experiences for both tuners to help out the mustang community.

I chose to go with Lund Racing to tune my 2013 Mustang GT for a few reasons. They were one of the only tuners with tuning available for the 2013s at the time and I also had heard good things about them on this forum. Before deciding to go with them, I had been planning on going with American Muscle and Bamachips for tuning - $150 for 3 tunes, free tunes for life, cyl 8 warranty - it all sounded pretty good, except a few people on here made it seem like American Muscle was the one with the cyl 8 failures to begin with. So that turned me against them. After contacting Lund Racing, they said the same thing basically - "only one tuner has been linked to that issue", "Just be suspect of tunes that are really cheap and come with lot of 'fluff' like warranties. Those companies need to sell based on those topics because their actual tuning may not be up to par." - making it really obvious who they are talking about... Lol.

So I pulled the plug on the Lund Racing tune. Got my tuner, installed the intake, and went to upload the tune, and it wouldn't upload on the car for some reason. Spent over an hour trying to get it to work at 11:30 at night and it wouldn't work. Had to put the stock tune back in. The next day Ken sent me a few revisions to test eventually worked our way back to the original tune and it worked so apparently there was an issue with the file. The car ran pretty good on the tune, had better than stock throttle response and felt like more power. When cold, it had some issues with bucking, but other than that no big deal, and it was only when the car was cold. Anyway I went to get the car dyno'd and the car made a whopping 378whp and 361wtq. I was not impressed at all. Ken also wasn't happy with the numbers, and sent me a new tune that he said he made a little more lean and added a little spark. I did a couple datalogs of the new tune and sent them to Ken to look over and in the meantime I went to the track to test out the new tune and got a good time, but the mph was a little off of what I was expecting - 12.47 @ 111.5mph. This was with a 1.92 60' and with a DA of 170' and staying in 4th gear through the traps. Well the datalogs were sent on 4/27/12 and that's the last I've heard from Ken. The support ticket on their website is still "being processed" and there has been no response to the datalogs.

Well the past couple weeks I've been working with Mike @ Bamachips to help get their tunes ready for the 2013 mustangs (since the 2011-2012s are slightly different). They have their shop 2013, but obviously testing on more than one vehicle to get the tunes dialed in is smart. He sent me an 87 octane tune to start with and after a couple datalogs, we had it dialed in. He then sent me a 92 octane tune, and after a couple datalogs we got that dialed in and everything looked great and he sent me the finalized tunes (87, 92 performance, 92 race - performance tune with more throttle response). The tunes felt great, had great power (couldn't really feel a difference between the 87 tune and the 92 tune power wise), good throttle response, were very smooth, and the bucking when cold was pretty much gone. They are also slightly richer than the last Lund tune Ken sent me (~11.6 vs ~12.0) and the 92 tunes also are running slightly less spark than the Lund tune (~26 vs ~28). I was thinking this would mean probably less power, but figured I'd test it out. I went to Capitol Raceway and was very pleasantly surprised. With a similar 60' (1.89 vs 1.92) and similar DA (150' vs 170') I dropped 0.08 and picked up over 3mph, even with a headwind. I ran a best of 12.39 @ 114.7mph and every run was solidly over 114mph, compared to the Lund Racing tunes every run being under 112mph. And no Capitol isn't just one of those "fast" tracks. When I ran the Lund Racing tunes, I ran at MIR which IS a "fast" track. MIR is actually where a lot of records are broken. Even so, I was going to test out the Lund tune, but when I went to upload it on the car, it wouldn't load in the car and I was sidelined for about an hour while I attempted to put the stock tune back in, (had to unhook the battery to get it to retake the stock tune) and then reupload the Bama tune. But anyway I was very pleased with this new time and trap speed and definitely owe it to Mike and Bamachips.

I'll be going to the dyno within a week or two to find out some new numbers, but I should be around 390-400 or so I'd expect. Anyone with a 5.0 contemplating tuners, I definitely recommend American Muscle and Bamachips. If you have a 2013, I believe they will be releasing tunes to the general public pretty soon, so keep an eye out. Lund Racing is good, don't get me wrong, but I've heard from a lot of people they are really safe but don't have the best performance. I do find it interesting though that according to the datalogs of the Bamachips tune, it has less spark and is running slightly richer than the Lund Racing tune, but has better performance at the track.

Also, I know Lund Racing is very well liked over here and in the mustang world, and I'm not trying to knock them or their tunes. The tune they provided me was pretty good, but just IMHO the Bama tunes are a better deal. Kind of find it hard to justify spending $200 on Lund over Bama which only cost $150, especially considering Bama offers free tunes for life and 3 tunes up front instead of just one and Bama has the cylinder 8 warranty. People knock Bama over here bc of the cylinder #8 issues, but the truth is almost all tuners had them in the past (except Lund who said they have had 0). I even had a few tuners admit to me directly when I contacted them about their failures in the past. Apparently the problems haven't been nearly as prominent recently as they were when people first started tuning the 5.0s though. But anyway, considering the volume of tunes Bama sends out, it only makes sense that they would have had slightly more failures. But anyway just wanted to give my opinions on both American Muscle/Bamachips and Lund Racing.

American Muscle/Bamachips has always earned my business from when I had my 2010 til now. The tunes for my 2010 were excellent and the car made great power and ran very well for the modifications. They have excellent customer service and are always available to talk and try their best to help their customers out. Lund Racing had good customer service as well, until the point where I first ran the 1/8 mile and told him I wasn't happy with the mph (88.4). He told me he would send me a "hotter" file that would be more risky and also informed me that this extra tuning and support isn't normally included and he's doing it because he's nice and because I have a 2013. He said he'd send that to me on 4/21 and he sent it on 4/27... I thanked him and sent him 2 datalogs that day to look over, and no response since.

Anyway anyone looking to get a tune for their 5.0, be sure to take everything into consideration and do your research. Don't just listen to what a few people say. Looking back, I kind of feel like I wasted $200 on the Lund tune since I won't be using it (especially since it doesn't like to load on my car lol), but oh well. Lesson learned for me. Just wish I had listened to my gut and not let myself be convinced by a few people to not go with American Muscle/Bama.

And no I'm not getting paid by American Muscle or Bama to write this. They don't even know I am writing this. It's just my honest opinion and the facts basically speak for themselves. Just trying to help other Mustang enthusiasts make informed decisions.

UPDATE: Made 393whp 368wtq with the Bama tune. Pretty happy with those numbers. Check the video for the run and graphs.

2013 Ford Mustang GT Dyno Results American Muscle Bama Tune VS Lund Racing Tune - YouTube
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Old 05-12-2012, 01:39 PM   #2
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Much appreciated! That made my decision pretty much final. Heard alot of good things about bama around where I live. Thanks!
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I may be experimenting with this as well all though I still don't see any Boss 302 tunes advertised on Bama's page which is kinda disappointing considering the car has been on the road well over a year.

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I been goggling and researching for a few hours today on what tune to go with and your post is pretty much what i've seen. Bama is who I will be going with for sure!
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I may be experimenting with this as well all though I still don't see any Boss 302 tunes advertised on Bama's page which is kinda disappointing considering the car has been on the road well over a year.
I'd call them. I can't imagine them not tuning for it. They have a "boss power pack" that has the boss manifold which is the only thing different about tuning lol. Call them and I'm sure they'll hook you up. It's only $141 (with the 6% forum discount) for the 3 tunes and free tunes for life.
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what about steeda? did you look at them vs. bama?
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First I want to say, yes this is kind of long. I type really fast and I'm sorry lol. Just wanted to give my experiences for both tuners to help out the mustang community......................................sho rtened
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Anyway anyone looking to get a tune for their 5.0, be sure to take everything into consideration and do your research. Don't just listen to what a few people say. Looking back, I kind of feel like I wasted $200 on the Lund tune since I won't be using it (especially since it doesn't like to load on my car lol), but oh well. Lesson learned for me. Just wish I had listened to my gut and not let myself be convinced by a few people to not go with American Muscle/Bama.

And no I'm not getting paid by American Muscle or Bama to write this. They don't even know I am writing this. It's just my honest opinion and the facts basically speak for themselves. Just trying to help other Mustang enthusiasts make informed decisions.

thank you for posting this, I have been debating who to go with for my 2013 tune
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The even more unfortunate thing about this situation is that now when you decide to run the BAMA tunes your car wont qualify for their cylinder #8 warranty that AM is offering because its already been tuned by another tuner.

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what about steeda? did you look at them vs. bama?
I didn't test their tunes, but I've heard good things about them and they are quite affordable.

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thank you for posting this, I have been debating who to go with for my 2013 tune
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The even more unfortunate thing about this situation is that now when you decide to run the BAMA tunes your car wont qualify for their cylinder #8 warranty that AM is offering because its already been tuned by another tuner.

bummer..
I'll have to talk to them about it considering I only had the other tune on the car for such a short time.
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We have great tuners and have had great success with our tunes. You can do a search and won't be disappointed in the results. We have never had an issue with the #8 cylinder.

Let me know if I can provide you with any help in regards to ordering a Steeda tune.

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I had the exact opposite experience. The tune Bama sent me for my 2012 I felt no power gain, not so great fuel mileage however driveability was good. This was for my NA setup. I just worked with Ken on remote tuning my car on the street and dyno with the Paxton 2200SL and ID1000 injectors. I made over 600 horsepower on the stock pulley and stock intake and the car drives like a dream. Ken and Jon are very busy. Did you ever try to send them another message?
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Holy **** man, are you making 600 horses to the wheels?! What kind of times are you running in the 1/4?
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Nice Info. Question I have is how can you tell if you have a 8 Cylinder Issue or an Engine Code after installing a CAI with Bama Tune (I'm assuming the engine light will come on)??? I'm new to cars (in regards to performance modifications) and just installed a C&L CAI with Bama Tune. So far, so good, I see no issues in terms of engine failure. Just curious. Thanks..
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Thanks for the write up, and being honest even though you knew you were going to catch it from a lot of guys, Yeah im a bama guy also, i have tried a few on my 2011 gt and the best performance and fuel mileage i get is from bama, i tried brenspeed, and steeda, and brooksspeed, and keep going back to bama. Their 93 tune is the meanest, most violent, display of power out of all the tunes i have, honestly i have the steeda as a daily driver tune but the bucking, reduced mpg, and TORQUE MANAGEMENT. Is killing me, it is a very safe tune from steeda, and i call it my tire saver tune. But i think its just going to be a winter tune
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I had the exact opposite experience. The tune Bama sent me for my 2012 I felt no power gain, not so great fuel mileage however driveability was good. This was for my NA setup. I just worked with Ken on remote tuning my car on the street and dyno with the Paxton 2200SL and ID1000 injectors. I made over 600 horsepower on the stock pulley and stock intake and the car drives like a dream. Ken and Jon are very busy. Did you ever try to send them another message?
Yeah I had sent a few messages... Did you ever try a lund tune while n/a?

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thats what im sayin! lol

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Nice Info. Question I have is how can you tell if you have a 8 Cylinder Issue or an Engine Code after installing a CAI with Bama Tune (I'm assuming the engine light will come on)??? I'm new to cars (in regards to performance modifications) and just installed a C&L CAI with Bama Tune. So far, so good, I see no issues in terms of engine failure. Just curious. Thanks..
Well cylinder #8 problems will cause tons of smoke and the check engine light would come on with an engine trouble code, so you're good.

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Thanks for the write up, and being honest even though you knew you were going to catch it from a lot of guys, Yeah im a bama guy also, i have tried a few on my 2011 gt and the best performance and fuel mileage i get is from bama, i tried brenspeed, and steeda, and brooksspeed, and keep going back to bama. Their 93 tune is the meanest, most violent, display of power out of all the tunes i have, honestly i have the steeda as a daily driver tune but the bucking, reduced mpg, and TORQUE MANAGEMENT. Is killing me, it is a very safe tune from steeda, and i call it my tire saver tune. But i think its just going to be a winter tune
No problem! I had thought about getting tunes from steeda, bbr, and brenspeed and doing a review of all 5 tuners, but thats $$ lol.
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I've been running Bama tunes for about 3 years now. I had one on my '08 and now on my '11 GT and have been completely satisfied.

I was going to try the Lund tune a few months back because I want the "cammed" sound but couldn't justify spending more money on tunes when I already had them for life with Bama! Bama all the way!!!
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Cool beans!!! Thanks...
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Thanks for the great feedback about our files. I'm glad to hear they're working out for you, and I'd be really curious to see what the dyno numbers turn out to be, even though the track results speak for themselves! Great facts, and it sounds like we're on the right track.

At this point, almost every company that tunes the 2011+ has had an isolated cylinder #8 incident or two, so I don't know why we were blamed as "the company" responsible. We are the largest SCT dealer in the world and have tuned the most late-model Mustangs, so I guess that's part of the response. It's understandable, but that's why we offer the warranty for our customers and have been standing beside it since we released it!

Again, glad to hear that you're pleased and it sounds like Mike Wilson and the Bama team took good care of you. Let us know if there's anything else we can do to help and report back with your dyno results!

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Holy **** man, are you making 600 horses to the wheels?! What kind of times are you running in the 1/4?
Haha yeah those numbers are SAE corrected. I'm also at 5400 ft altitude. Not sure about 1/4 times. Just got done with the dyno and remote tuning last Friday.

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thats what im sayin! lol



Well cylinder #8 problems will cause tons of smoke and the check engine light would come on with an engine trouble code, so you're good.



No problem! I had thought about getting tunes from steeda, bbr, and brenspeed and doing a review of all 5 tuners, but thats $$ lol.
Never tried it N/A. Keep sending him messages.
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The even more unfortunate thing about this situation is that now when you decide to run the BAMA tunes your car wont qualify for their cylinder #8 warranty that AM is offering because its already been tuned by another tuner.

bummer..
It's tough for us, because that's literally a legal limitation. We want to be able to offer a warranty to all of our customers for everything, but it's just not possible. Also (in this particular case) if you run a tune before us, we don't want to be held responsible for damage that happened before we get to it. Even though, none of our customers have ever been left out in the dark or sitting high and dry.

We're confident in what we do and offer a REAL warranty that we spent thousands of dollars in legal fees drafting up. We didn't draft it up for publicity, we did it to show that we stand behind our products and even honored the warranty twice, now.

Whether or not it's a Bama tune issue or an underlying mechanical limitation that is brought out by tuning, we stand behind it. We're SCT's largest dealer in the world and we're fortunate that our loyal customers who have done business with us in the past allowed our company to get to the point where we can do this for you guys. However, that all being said - running another tune before us is a definite limitation.

Bama appreciates it and we'll always pass on whatever perks we can give to our customers, when possible! In that case, though, our hands are kind of tied.
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