What is up with most of us tuning ( or not )11's-13's?
09-10-2012, 05:27 PM
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What is up with most of us tuning ( or not )11's-13's?
I have ran custom tunes in many vehicles before. All with no ill side effects. Ever. Anything from a Mustang to an F150. No CAI on the F150. I ran custom Bama tunes in an '09 & a '10. No problems. Both with CAI's. Why are most people, including me, so weary of custom tuning the 5.0? It is not like I hammer it every chance I would get, but it is fun every now and then. I don't take it to the drag strip. It is a DD. I really wonder at times is Ford trying to bully their way into the aftermarket stuff. It seems to me that custom tuning really took off with the S197 and just sky rocketed. Is Ford trying to put the aftermarket people out of business with their warranty bullying?
09-10-2012, 07:12 PM
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FoMoCo has not changed their view on how mods shown to cause a failure can void a warranty anymore now than they did 5-7 years ago... except now they are taking steps to actually enforce their policy...
With the #8 popping at first, and how everyone here (and other boards) re-emphasize this potential failure, many of us seem to be gun shy. I am certain this percentage of failures is minute, but it is real.
Don
With the #8 popping at first, and how everyone here (and other boards) re-emphasize this potential failure, many of us seem to be gun shy. I am certain this percentage of failures is minute, but it is real.
Don
09-10-2012, 07:40 PM
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I cannot even use the FRPP ProCal. I do not live anywhere close to and "authorized" installer. The fact that I would even have to pay for a mechanic to put in a air filter, plug in the ProCal, and hit enter just adds insult to injury to me.
09-11-2012, 09:03 AM
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I really think that it is more of a scare then anything
Yes the cylinder #8 failure is a real problem, that has happened. However there are alot of things involved.
You have to remember that this is mustang forum, we are all enthusiasts here, and just because a handful of people on this forum or another, may have had this issue, does not mean that it is something to fear on every vehicle.
And most of the issues that did happen were in the early phases of tuning. Tuning is trial and error people, you can't expect everything to be perfect right off of the bat. Some people want super aggressive tunes, and there is always that risk factor involved. And not with just our cars but any car for that matter.
Another factor involved is a lot of people do not understand the warranty process. People need to read up on the Magnuson-Moss act and get their facts straight. Everyone throws around the term "voided warranty". Voiding a warranty without proving that an aftermarket part is the cause of the issue is illegal. From what I have read on here it sounds like most people believe what dealerships tell them, and do not stick up for their rights as a consumer. Ford is not out to get us people, without us as the consumer's they would have no business, and good business people understand this. And if they want us to continue buying Ford's and want our businesss I think that if you can get ahold of someone at a dealership or in customer service that at least has half of a brain then they will do everythign they can to work with you. There are a couple of them that post on these forums, and throughout others.
You can read more about your warranty rights here:
http://www.zabteck.com/MagnusonMossWarrantyAct.pdf
The cylinder #8 issue is enough to give you a scare, but because of that we have one of the biggest aftermarket companies and tuners out there AM/BAMA offereing us a warrnty on their tunes. How many companies are willing to do something like that in this day and age? How many companies put that much confidence in their employees to warranty their work for that matter? If I was to guess I would say a handful..maybe
For those that have said in various threads "well so much more could go wrong! But what if I exceed the cost for repairs that BAMA's warranty covers!!!11!
Your just wasting everyones time, and trying to find something to complain about, If you are so scared, then dont tune your car at all. You might as well go buy a Prius while your at it and go tally up your record setting gas mileage.
Another thing that I see happen alot on here is people baselessly arguing opinion as fact, and thread after thread turns into an argument about who can back up there senseless opinions more than the other, the thread loses topic and people just want to fight online. People can say anything that they want on the internet, some may be true, but most of it may not. Check for sources, it can usually help you figure out for yourself who knows what they are talking about and who doesn't.
Yes the cylinder #8 failure is a real problem, that has happened. However there are alot of things involved.
You have to remember that this is mustang forum, we are all enthusiasts here, and just because a handful of people on this forum or another, may have had this issue, does not mean that it is something to fear on every vehicle.
And most of the issues that did happen were in the early phases of tuning. Tuning is trial and error people, you can't expect everything to be perfect right off of the bat. Some people want super aggressive tunes, and there is always that risk factor involved. And not with just our cars but any car for that matter.
Another factor involved is a lot of people do not understand the warranty process. People need to read up on the Magnuson-Moss act and get their facts straight. Everyone throws around the term "voided warranty". Voiding a warranty without proving that an aftermarket part is the cause of the issue is illegal. From what I have read on here it sounds like most people believe what dealerships tell them, and do not stick up for their rights as a consumer. Ford is not out to get us people, without us as the consumer's they would have no business, and good business people understand this. And if they want us to continue buying Ford's and want our businesss I think that if you can get ahold of someone at a dealership or in customer service that at least has half of a brain then they will do everythign they can to work with you. There are a couple of them that post on these forums, and throughout others.
You can read more about your warranty rights here:
http://www.zabteck.com/MagnusonMossWarrantyAct.pdf
The cylinder #8 issue is enough to give you a scare, but because of that we have one of the biggest aftermarket companies and tuners out there AM/BAMA offereing us a warrnty on their tunes. How many companies are willing to do something like that in this day and age? How many companies put that much confidence in their employees to warranty their work for that matter? If I was to guess I would say a handful..maybe
For those that have said in various threads "well so much more could go wrong! But what if I exceed the cost for repairs that BAMA's warranty covers!!!11!
Your just wasting everyones time, and trying to find something to complain about, If you are so scared, then dont tune your car at all. You might as well go buy a Prius while your at it and go tally up your record setting gas mileage.
Another thing that I see happen alot on here is people baselessly arguing opinion as fact, and thread after thread turns into an argument about who can back up there senseless opinions more than the other, the thread loses topic and people just want to fight online. People can say anything that they want on the internet, some may be true, but most of it may not. Check for sources, it can usually help you figure out for yourself who knows what they are talking about and who doesn't.
09-11-2012, 11:00 AM
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I have ran custom tunes in many vehicles before. All with no ill side effects. Ever. Anything from a Mustang to an F150. No CAI on the F150. I ran custom Bama tunes in an '09 & a '10. No problems. Both with CAI's. Why are most people, including me, so weary of custom tuning the 5.0? It is not like I hammer it every chance I would get, but it is fun every now and then. I don't take it to the drag strip. It is a DD. I really wonder at times is Ford trying to bully their way into the aftermarket stuff. It seems to me that custom tuning really took off with the S197 and just sky rocketed. Is Ford trying to put the aftermarket people out of business with their warranty bullying?
When ordering from Bama/Americanmuscle you won't have to worry. Our head tuning specialist has been tuning Mustangs for 15+ years and definitely has every aspect of these cars figured out. We're constantly developing our tunes! Between our 14 different Project Mustangs (3 of them having the new coyote motor your speaking off 11 GB,12 Black out,13 GHIG) and tons of street/track and dyno testing (on our in-house Dynojet 224xLC). We're looking for any minor tweaks to be made that can benefit you guys. We're also part of Fords Technology Transfer Program & Work very closely with Ford to insure that all of our tunes are perfect!
Last but not least, for a little insurance we do offer a cylinder #8 warranty. We're very confident in our tunes, however we offer this just for a little state of mind for our customers. There is a lot of things that come into play when qualifying for this warranty, if you want to learn more about it feel free to give my Bama team a call! Our Bama Performance tuning specialists are here in the building Monday-Friday from 9AM-5:30PM EST and Saturday 9AM-5:30PM EST. You can hit them up directly at 888.226.9764 and they'll get you squared away!
I hope this helps, Let me know if you have any questions! Check out our youtube channel to see Mike Wilson and the Bama team hard at work. http://www.youtube.com/user/americanmusclevideos
-Dan
09-11-2012, 12:10 PM
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I don't think its ford trying to put aftermarkets out of business to sell their own line of products. I think it's just that this new engine if not tuned right has the potential to fail, partly due to ti-vct and the high compression and how far the tunes can push the engines. Now they have a way of finding out for sure if you messed with things to cause the issue or not. I'm not convinced that it isn't partly ford's fault for some shoddy parts getting into them. Why would a handful of people have issues when most don't with the same tune? This is nothing particularly new, advancing the timing too much, getting detonation and having piston failure has always been an issue, some tuners may have been pushing it too far, also adjusting the knock sensors was bad... I believe the stock SCT tune did that and many tuners didn't change that.
09-11-2012, 05:21 PM
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Thank you for all of your input. It helps me to see what is really going on. I admit that I have Googled "Ford Mustang GT #8 piston failure" to death. Too much information. If you look it up that is what you are going to see. Kind of a garbage in, garbage out sort of thing. Now guess what? I sold my tuner about 4 months ago. I will also have to say that this is now my DD. I am really begining to enjoy driving a Mustang. The other 2 were play toys that hardly ever got driven. Drove my pick up 90% of the time. When you drive it day to day you get a lot more impressed ( at least I have ) of how well it performs, handles, and is made. I would enjoy a little more kick though.
09-11-2012, 05:38 PM
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I did read that it really makes no difference which CAI you purchase. Question though. I like the way the Airaid uses the front factory air pick up from behind the grill. To me it seems that is where you are going to get your coolest air. Not from under the hood IMHO. What sort of gains can be gotten with that combo? Not trying to start a fight Maraman, just not sold on the whole open air filter under the hood pulling in warm air and calling it a CAI if that makes any sense. Rule #1 on a truck is to stay away from a CAI if you are wanting torque I had custom tunes on my last F150 and ran the stock air box with a Wix air filter. It would pull. Again just trying to get it all sorted out.
09-11-2012, 06:50 PM
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As said before Ford has really just started enforcing their policy because anyway they can save a dime they're going to. It's the same with any business truly, and in this economy especially.
Another factor I can see is the simple cost of these new cars. With the 05-09 GT's you could get them easily for less then $30K but now just about a simple base model is $32+. That's a big payment for most people and they aren't tuning them as much.
Still, everyone has their own opinion about it, when I first got into the tuning business in early 04' the 03-04 Cobra's and the Lightnings were the hot ticket but as soon as the 2005 come out the focus switched.
The biggest thing to remember with any of it is to goto a Tuning company with a good name in the 2011-up Mustangs. Then ask questions, do they use base files? How many 2011-up mustangs have they tuned? What's their track record with them?
You're not going to go wrong with either Doug@C&L(me!) Gus@ Steeda or Mike@AM their lead tuning tech, or a host of other big names in the industry.
Thanks, Doug
Another factor I can see is the simple cost of these new cars. With the 05-09 GT's you could get them easily for less then $30K but now just about a simple base model is $32+. That's a big payment for most people and they aren't tuning them as much.
Still, everyone has their own opinion about it, when I first got into the tuning business in early 04' the 03-04 Cobra's and the Lightnings were the hot ticket but as soon as the 2005 come out the focus switched.
The biggest thing to remember with any of it is to goto a Tuning company with a good name in the 2011-up Mustangs. Then ask questions, do they use base files? How many 2011-up mustangs have they tuned? What's their track record with them?
You're not going to go wrong with either Doug@C&L(me!) Gus@ Steeda or Mike@AM their lead tuning tech, or a host of other big names in the industry.
Thanks, Doug
09-11-2012, 07:52 PM
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I did read that it really makes no difference which CAI you purchase. Question though. I like the way the Airaid uses the front factory air pick up from behind the grill. To me it seems that is where you are going to get your coolest air. Not from under the hood IMHO. What sort of gains can be gotten with that combo? Not trying to start a fight Maraman, just not sold on the whole open air filter under the hood pulling in warm air and calling it a CAI if that makes any sense. Rule #1 on a truck is to stay away from a CAI if you are wanting torque I had custom tunes on my last F150 and ran the stock air box with a Wix air filter. It would pull. Again just trying to get it all sorted out.