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Old 03-15-2014, 06:43 AM
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Hey Guys,

So if I have any luck selling my AR at the gun show today I'll have some mod funds. Depending on how much I get, I'll likely end up having to choose between an AirRaid CAI or a Bama Tune.

Now I know the AirRaid has the insert that allows me to run it without a tune but I wanted your opinion on which to get first? I'm looking for the most bang for my buck between the two.

The question is would I see more HP(fun) from a CAI that's throttled back or a Bama Race Tune with stock Intake?

Is the stock intake even sufficient for a Race Tune?

I'm running a '14 GT with Track Pack on 3.55 ratio.

I was initially planning the CAI first because I'm familiar with them. I've never worked with a tuner but I don't suspect that will be an issue at all. I got to thinking the Tune might be better due to all the untapped potential it unlocks that's already there.

Either way it should only be a couple months before I can get the other item so not a huge deal.
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Old 03-15-2014, 07:47 AM
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Save up and get both. A CAI without a tune is not going to net you anything noticeable and is a waste of time. A tuner, however, will make a dramatic improvement with or without the CAI. If you want the best bang for your buck, however, you buy them to complement each other.
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Old 03-15-2014, 08:18 AM
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Thanks!

I will have both, just not today. You confirmed what I was thinking there. Tuner today - CAI in a couple months.
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Old 03-15-2014, 08:22 AM
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There are plenty of people making great power tuned with the factory CAI.
Don't waste your money !!
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Old 03-15-2014, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Fire
There are plenty of people making great power tuned with the factory CAI.
Don't waste your money !!
Craig - I agree to an extent, I mean Airflow = HP, right? I feel like especially since I'll be running a race tune, I should strive for the best breathing I can get.

Out of curiosity, where would you drop the $380? I miss the days of $150 CAI.. that's for sure.
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Old 03-15-2014, 09:59 AM
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I went from 109.99 to 113.70 with just the Bama 93R tune with 3.31's and a 6M. Cat Deletes will get you more power than a CAI ever will, and the tune can be reconfigured to tune out the rear O2's.
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Old 03-15-2014, 12:32 PM
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Airflow only = HP if the engine is demanding it and not getting it. I'm making a dragstrip dyno 439 flywheel horses on just a mild 91 octane tune so, 0 incentive to change out the factory CAI.
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Old 03-15-2014, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by redCORTEX
Craig - I agree to an extent, I mean Airflow = HP, right? I feel like especially since I'll be running a race tune, I should strive for the best breathing I can get.

Out of curiosity, where would you drop the $380? I miss the days of $150 CAI.. that's for sure.
Suspension is where the money should go first (even before a tune) IMO.
Getting the power to the ground is everything. You would be surprised how fast how nimble and how composed a stock powered car can be with the right combination of suspension parts.
Fact is the stock CAI is sufficient enough to power the Boss and even the 302R race cars.
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Old 03-15-2014, 06:08 PM
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Well, the good news is that you guys talked me out of the CAI.

The bad news two-fold:
1) I have no idea where to go after the tune (I feel like this is needed early)
2) While I was researching the suspension upgrades for the track pack, I found out that I don't have it after all, just the Brembo Brake Package. Heart-broken.

That's a story for another thread.

I do have upgraded springs, 131lbs front, 167lbs rear.
Also struts/shocks tuned for these springs.

Do I need more suspension than that? I've never modded a muscle car so not sure how it rates.
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Old 03-16-2014, 07:32 AM
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If you really plan on tracking the car the stock parts (even the Brembo/Track Pack) are not going to cut it. These cars are under sprung under damped and way under tired to be competitive. Ask Sam Strano he'll tell you.
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