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I'm not a fan of Mustang II suspension. Works great for small cars and hot rods, but it's not that fantastic of a design.
There's no real problem with a short arm/long arm suspension that's designed properly. The main problem with the stock Mustang suspension is that the geometry is screwy. It's based on the Falcon setup which is designed for ride comfort and freeway stability rather than handling. The Shelby/Arning UCA drop fixes the stock geometry by providing a better camber curve to keep the tires flatter on the road during cornering. Combined with a bigger sway bar, export brace, monte carlo bar, and good springs and shocks, you'll have an affordable suspension that handles great.
If you really want to go all out, something like the TCP or Global West tubular coilover setup goes a step further by moving the spring force to the lower control arm. This increases spring leverage, allowing you to run a softer spring without sacrificing handling ability. It also has a side effect of giving you an adjustable ride height in some cases.
If you're after room, Crites offers a shock tower notch kit to allow you to drop that cleve into your '65.
A complete tubular front end is way overkill on most cars. With a terminator or 512 crate motor swap, I suppose I can see it. But that's a lot of time, effort, and money.
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Tad H.
'67 Fastback
331 stroker
so what your saying is that the mustang 2's suspension is good but compared to what you can do with the stock suspension by improving it, it's not that great?
also if you were to put a mustang 2 suspension and cut off the shock towers, you can't put the export brace or the monte carlo bar right? wouldn't that cause flexing in the body?
I don't see the logic of hacking up a classic car that bad, period. Regardless of the benefit. Everytime I see one that someone has done that to at a car show or in a magazine it makes me cringe.
MII is nice for street rods that arent expected to do much other than look cool and be comfortable for the gray haired guy driving it. They work ok in drag cars because they are relatively light, but they arent a corner carver. If I wanted to make either the Cougar or the PoD corner well, I would go with the coil over setup that moves the spring to the lower control arm. There is also an IRS that bolts in the rear and they make a big difference in handling, but arent too great for the drags. Not horrible but not great.
Some people change things just to change things and it doesnt matter to them if its better than it was before as long as its different. I would rather improve something if I am going to the effort to change stuff, especially on the scale you are talking about with the entire front end. If I was considering the entire fromt clip out of tubular, I would just go the full monty and tube the entire car and build a suspension that isnt hampered by anything stock. That would be big $$$ though...
okok i get i get it. you won't operate on your pride and joy.
but let's say you were just starting a project and you got a car whose front end was obiliterated.
considering the "perks" of having an updated "structure" and etc.
would it be feasible?
i mean you don't notice it until you pop the hood right?
MII is nice for street rods that arent expected to do much other than look cool and be comfortable for the gray haired guy driving it. They work ok in drag cars because they are relatively light, but they arent a corner carver. If I wanted to make either the Cougar or the PoD corner well, I would go with the coil over setup that moves the spring to the lower control arm. There is also an IRS that bolts in the rear and they make a big difference in handling, but arent too great for the drags. Not horrible but not great.
Some people change things just to change things and it doesnt matter to them if its better than it was before as long as its different. I would rather improve something if I am going to the effort to change stuff, especially on the scale you are talking about with the entire front end. If I was considering the entire fromt clip out of tubular, I would just go the full monty and tube the entire car and build a suspension that isnt hampered by anything stock. That would be big $$$ though...
tube the entire car eh? hm... how would one approach that?
okok i get i get it. you won't operate on your pride and joy.
but let's say you were just starting a project and you got a car whose front end was obiliterated.
considering the "perks" of having an updated "structure" and etc.
would it be feasible?
i mean you don't notice it until you pop the hood right?
I guess it would depend on how "rare" the car is. If it's just your average no frills C-code or I6 car, I MIGHT consider it. BUT, if it was something like a Boss car or other rarity, I wouldn't.
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Your guys' thoughts?
